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Can anyone recommend labels that can be hung on the rose bush, that aren't too expensive, but will last a couple years at least? In our park, we have lots of roses that have labels that have fallen off, moved around. We will eventually get them all big permanent labels, but would like to keep their ID with them in the meantime. I have had bad luck in my own garden with labels losing their writing and haven't come across the best method - metal, plastic, pen, pencil?
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#1 of 14 posted
13 SEP 15 by
styrax
Pencil on any sturdy, UV resistant, light-colored surface.
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This is a popular topic and there are many solutions including using recycled materials.
You can buy plastic labels with a hole punched in them or punch them yourself but plastic can degrade in a few seasons or less.
Tyvek labels are better and can last for several years, or more.
I have found nothing for labeling that outlasts a plain old fashioned #2 pencil, as long as reasonable pressure is applied when writing on a clean label. They stay legible for years.
Some people prefer a marking pen designed for china and ceramics. I see no need to go to the additional expense. I do thousands of labels per year.
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#3 of 14 posted
13 SEP 15 by
Jay-Jay
I use the sipes of old aluminium horizontal blinds (Luxaflex) and cut the aluminium in rectangular shapes, get the corners a bit rounded and drill (or punch) a hole in them. Use a small engraving/etching machine (Dremel) to write and hang them up with single core wire. Cheap and very durable!
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For a public garden I favour no labels at all. Vandals move them or they get stolen. Instead I favour a cheap photocopied map that could be printed off in small quantities as required. These small quantities would allow for changes to be made when required – and raise a dollar or two – and save on label costs. It would also allow people to take home the rose names to later seek out plants.
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#5 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
BartBalk
I have wondered about that. Our garden does have vandals. We could try that first, since we need to create a map anyway.
One other reason we wanted to have labels is so we know which roses are winter-pruned. Our old roses are somewhat mingled with the hybrid teas. Was thinking of marking the old roses with a color tag. Of course, the map helps here, too.
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I have just added an example of one of my garden bed maps. Go into Patricia Routley / Member Garden / Photos .....It is a reflection on paper of what is in the bed. The very next rose you come to, goes on the very next line. This map contains, in this order, a number that a foundling will use for the rest of its life (when the identity can change!); the name; class (which will guide you on pruning); the seed parent & date; the pollen parent & date; breeder; country; bred date; provenance (see Katie Pianto's rose for three previous owners); what rootstock if any; the date I planted it; and its location in my garden. On the bottom right is a mini map cutout showing where in my five acre garden this bed is. See also the other photo of the whole garden map. Despite being in page protectors, these garden bed maps get pretty filthy as I take them out into the garden often. They also get covered with my scribble - there are always things to update and note and I seem to have to re-print them once a year. Of all the books on my bookshelves, my garden records book is the most valuable of all.
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#8 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
BartBalk
You've fit quite a lot on that map! I definitely will start thinking about maps. Many times visitors want to know the name of a rose so they can buy one. And I do worry about kids moving labels around. The map does double duty - can't be moved, can be taken home. Thanks!
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#6 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
BartBalk
That does look good. Not sure where to find the old blinds. Can you also write with pencil? Your photos look like they were written with pencil.
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#9 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
Jay-Jay
Pencil might suffice, but what You see is not written by a pencil, but it is the bare aluminium, for the original paint is grinded/cut away with the (small) multi-tool. The labels are very durable.
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#10 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
BartBalk
ok, I see the metal now. And what did you use to punch the hole? Or did you drill it?
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#11 of 14 posted
14 SEP 15 by
Jay-Jay
Sometimes I drilled them with a metal drill, then You can drill a lot at once, but You can also punch holes in them with a centre-point. (used for punching an indentation in the metal or stone, at the location, that you want to drill a hole, so the drill doesn't slip/slide away) See: https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/centerpunt Sometimes , when I want a very nice result, I use only a countersink
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#12 of 14 posted
15 SEP 15 by
BartBalk
I found some mini-blinds at local thriftstore and made some sample tags to show my fellow public garden volunteers. Our paper hole punch was able to easily punch a hole.
I will be putting all of our roses in excel as our "database". We have a Brother label maker, so we can print more info on the label, including a QR code to HelpMeFind.
Does anyone have experience with stick-on labels? Are some brands fairly durable? We are going to try Brother Continuous Film label tape DK2211 for starters. One of the reviewers said it worked well outdoors, but Brother makes no claims.
I'm thinking of 1) scratching one side with name and 2) printing (with more info) a label for the other side.
A couple of my fellow gardeners don't like hanging labels because people prune them off and then they are lost. But it seems to me to be more of a problem for those little round metal labels than something big. Anyone have experience in whether these larger labels work better? We have inexperienced people help us with pruning sometimes.
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#13 of 14 posted
16 SEP 15 by
Jay-Jay
Looking good => even improved! I never pruned these labels away, but when the cane dies, it can easily be hung back on another newer cane, for the single core wire can be used over and over again
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Greetings from the great Pacific Northwest, Lakewood, Washington (8b)! I was considering the brother label printing method you employed here as well and was wondering how they are holding up in the weather? Have you noticed if the ink bleeds or the adhesive doesn't stand up to the elements?
Thanks so much!
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19 AUG 19 by
styrax
How is blackspot resistance for this rose on the East Coast of the US?
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It's excellent - I don't spray and it doesn't have any black spot. 6b Pennsylvania here
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It contracts blackpot in my eastern North Carolina garden unless I spray regularly. It is robust and tries to grow through it. A powerhouse flower producer with great scent. The best white on the market.
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One could argue with that Steve. Have you tried Clouds of Glory and Soft Whisper ((not to mention Moonstone, Marlon's Day and Randy Scott)? I prefer these two over PJPII and I grow two bushes of each. COG is not quite as fragrant but grows better with longer, straighter stems and gives me more good blooms. Soft Whisper is equal in fragrance and a sturdy upright grower. The other three are really good exhibition varieties. I like PJPII but can't agree it's the best white on the market.
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I also own Soft Whisper. It is more susceptible to disease than JPII and not as fragtrant. Nor does it produce near the number of blooms. Nor is it white. And my comment concered John Paul II being the best white rose.
I am not familar with Clouds of Glory. It may be wonderful. But I am getting rid of my Soft Whisper this year and hanging on to my John Paul II.
It is pollen and seed fertile, but does both reluctantly. Soft Whisper is better at setting seeds than JPII.
Of course, we can only speak from limited experience and from our own gardens.
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Steve, have you grown 'Honor'?
If so, how would you rate it?
One of my all time favorite whites is 'Pascali'.
Thanks, Robert
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Yes, I grew honor years ago, along with Pascali.
I loved Pascali more ...
But I think neither of them can compete with the combined qualities of Pope John Paul II.
I may have an exceptional plant, but my JPII produces huge numbers of near perfect, fragrant flowers. And my climate is often drought ridden with 95 degree heat. The flowers hardly shrink in size or number. It is a very impressive plant. I am trying to work a line breeding it with ICECAP. Hoping to eventually produce something close to JPII with disease resistance.
Imagine a disease free 'Iceberg' with powerful fragrance! We can dream...
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I've never grown JPII
I do grow it's seed parent, Secret, which I like
I told Certified Roses they were wasting their time looking for a better white flori, because Iceberg will always outsell all other white floris because it's non-pat, easy to propagate and sold cheaply everywhere.
As for more recent fragrant white floris, I tried 'Bolero'. I hated it and tossed it out.
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I see by all your comments that you are a dedicated rosarian.
You must try JPII. I beleive it will be "THE WHITE ROSE" of this generation.
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Thanks for your input Steve.
I've been growing/breeding roses for some time. HT's are not an emphasis for me.
As I already have 'Secret' established I may trying playing with that a bit.
Space and time are always at a premium.
Best Wishes, Robert
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Haha, we all have strong opinions don’t we?? I will chime in for Honor, I still like it. Second best would be Sugar Moon and then PJP II. For me it is the weird bulbous shape of PJP II that puts it in third. I have grown all of the discussed hybrid teas. For best white florrie, I abhor iceberg and like Moondance, Grand Prize and Easy Spirit (the best) and Pillow fight.
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Hi Kathy, I'm guessing growing conditions account for many differences in opinion.
Yes, I still like Honor too. I think it's better for cutting than some others.
I also grow, and like, 'Easy Spirit'.
I hadn't considered, Moondance, Sugar Moon.
Now they are on my radar.
Thank you!
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The best white HT imo is 'Royal Philharmonic', but its not as fragrant. It's a real do'er, and it stays in its lane, unlike some HTs that grow whatever dimensions they please.
'Renaissance' is my favorite sniffer, but its very informal and has a blush to it. It's a heavy producer when mature. A love it and leave it type, which is preferable.
I am sure a lot of people like the white sport of 'Secret'.
Meilland has a white fragrant HT popular in Europe that I have yet to see. White Perfumella. Unsure how decent it is in North America. Etsy sells a similar 'Wedding Road', which is another Yves Piaget type like White Perfumella. They may or may not be the same rose or sisters. Its hard to tell with Etsy sourcing sometimes, but it seems to be a very popular white sniffer HT there.
Anyway, a lot to select from.
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My JPII is super robust. It's first flish of blooms are often a bit bulbous and overpacked with petals.
The individual flowers that come later are more perfect.
What distinguishes any rose from all other flowers is its fragrance.
A rose without fragrance is only half a rose.
And a rose with super fragrance (like JPII) is a rose and a half.
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Steve - it sounds like you have a super plant of PJPii - more power to you!. I have what I believe is a Super Plant of Dolly Parton. I have tow bushes of Pope John Paul II. Both from Palatine so both on multiflora rootstock. Both are good and I will not be replacing them anytime soon. I just have a few other whites that I like better.
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You are probably right.
I just lucked into a super-robust graft & rootstock of JPII. I think I got it from Palatine also.
However, my favorite commercial rose (at theast for this week) is Pinkerbell.
It is also robust, needs little or no spraying and gets pretty flowers.
There are too few of them for the size of the plant and they are a bit small and need more fragrance, but it is fertile as both a seed and pollen parent and its hardiness cannot be overlooked.
I say "commerical rose" because I also breed roses and have developed a few that I think are stellar.
I have not yet tried to find a distributor for them. But at my age, I can't wait around too much longer.
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I've got some on the market. Getting your foot in the door takes at least several years, timing, and luck.
After you're in with a grower it gets easier, but even then the competition is overwhelming. We are competing with literally dozens of world class entities.
A stellar rose in one climate may not be stellar elsewhere.
Some very mediocre roses make it to market and other excellent ones are never offered. There are myriads of reasons why.
I also like 'Pinkerbelle'. I've heard some clones get several feet tall. Mine has always stayed in the 2' range, and yes, it has good fertility
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Available from - Rouge Valley Roses https://roguevalleyroses.com/content/contact/
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The photos are showing more than eight petals. I love the brilliant color, but does it fade in bright sunlight?
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#2 of 5 posted
3 NOV 23 by
1234rose
The page says this rose is thornless-the one I have is pretty thorny. Do I have the wrong rose?
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#3 of 5 posted
4 NOV 23 by
styrax
good luck getting the right rose from RVR.... last time I ordered 2/3 were drastically mislabeled.
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I've not ordered from them in years for that very reason.
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#5 of 5 posted
4 NOV 23 by
1234rose
Fair enough. What is this rose like for you?
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