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Initial post 18 JAN 12 by SteveinAus
Saw a couple of bushes of this variety in a garden centre today and was super-impressed with the fragrance. Very strong. Probably the strongest myrrh fragrance I've come across. Apparently very healthy and has spreading, low growth (4 foot tall by up to 7 foot wide, they reckon, here in Southern Australia).
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 29 APR 14 by evothia
I grow Cymbeline in my garden in Melbourne. I have to agree with you Steve. Great form as a bush, spreading, arching strong growth that needs quite a bit of space. And the flower....fragrance to knock your socks off and with a beautiful form. It sets superb hips and flowers very late into autumn. The fragrance is not as fickle as some of the newer austin's: it is strong in very cold wet weather and still remains strong at the end of hot windy days. I find it 'interesting' that this rose is not mentioned in any current lists of "older/superceded" varieties by David Austin Roses. There is such a list in their new book "English Roses" that lists all sorts of odd roses that were either never released into commerce 'Admired Miranda' or were superceded "Cressida". Cymbeline in David Austin Senior's book "Old Roses and English Roses" even receives a " * " indicating varieties according to David Austin Senior that show great garden worth: health, bush form, vigour, fragrance....
Yet now it is trying to be wiped out of the history books as though it never existed.........
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 1 MAY 14 by Kit
I grow this rose in California's San Fernando Valley, it certainly follows Steve's description. The fragrance is great in the bud and on the opening bloom, strong and highly charged with myrrh; but in most weather is gone by the time the rose blows.
I've discovered that proper pruning can make a very big difference in keeping this rose well foliated, unless the basal breaks get cut back to four or five nodes, they'll only produce secondaries on the terminal handful of nodes, leaving up to two meters of bare cane.
BTW - if anyone in or near Los Angeles County wants one of these shrubs, right now I have half a dozen small ones in 2 gallon cans to give away to anyone willing to shlep over here to Valley Village and pick one up. Send me a message and I'll set one aside for you.
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Initial post 21 JUN 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I have a strong feeling 'Black Caviar' is the same as 'Astrid Gräfin von Hardenberg' from Tantau's Nostalgic Roses collection. See: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.456959564384089.1073741828.425937834152929&type=3

The 'Black Caviar' label states it is a dark burgundy rose with black/purple edges and a lighter centre. The label states that it won a medal for the most fragrant rose in trial in New Zealand and 'Astrid Gräfin von Hardenberg' won this award in NZ in 2010. The photo on the label is a dead match with online photos of 'Astrid Gräfin von Hardenberg'. The label also states that ot won a gold medal in Concorso, Italy. This website: http://dictionary.sensagent.com/Rosen%20Tantau/de-de/ states 'Astrid Gräfin von Hardenberg' won a gold medal in Concorso in 2002.

'Astrid Gräfin von Hardenberg (2001) (Goldmedaille und Beste Duftrose
Concorso International in Rom 2002) "

I've emailed Knight's Roses for confirmation.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 22 JUN 13 by jedmar
The awards make the synonymity pretty conclusive.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 29 APR 14 by evothia
I purchased this rose based on all the hype around "Black Caviar" and then I read the reviews from Germany on German Gardening Forums on A. G. von H. There she is often referred to as "the b#tch". (Thankyou google translate)
Well growing it has confirmed, for me at least, that this is an inferior rose that should not have been released into commerce in Australia. Awful sickly fragrance that does not last to the end of a warm day, flowers that burn and scold even in mild Spring sunshine, ... need I continue.
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