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RoseMEIclicel most recent 9 days ago SHOW ALL

Initial post 13 days ago by HMF supporting member

Ericchn

Reply #1 of 7 posted 13 days ago by HMF supporting member

jedmar

It was at Monza as Medicellie. See: www.airosa.it/concorso/2005/concorso2005.htm Also: www.dreamstime.com/photos-images/rose-meicellie.html The note for Meiclicel says: Meilland sells MEIclicel as 'Greffe de Vie' as a garden rose, and 'Purple Perfumella' when a cut rose. Has Meilland changed the varietal name from 2005 to 2008?	REPLY

Reply #2 of 7 posted 13 days ago by HMF supporting member

Ericchn

Reply #3 of 7 posted 13 days ago by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Can you please also ask about 'Belles Rives'? See this info from 2017: parfumflowercompany.com/insights/name-change-rose-greffe-de-vie-belles-rives/ We had 'Belles Rives' as a name for MEIzolnil. According to this, it is 'Greffe de Vie' (MEIclicel?)	REPLY

Reply #4 of 7 posted 13 days ago by HMF supporting member

Ericchn

I know about this. The trade mark Belles Rives is used both for Meizolnil (for garden) and for Meiclicel (for cut flowers). Similar to the case of Jeanne Moreau, which is used for Meidiaphaz for the garden and Meicalanq for cut flowers.	REPLY

Reply #5 of 7 posted 13 days ago by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #6 of 7 posted 9 days ago by Alain Meilland

Hi all,

Meicellie is not a varietal name of any Meilland variety. It might be (again) a mistake of a rose trial. Maybe Monza as it is the only reference to this :

www.airosa.it/concorso/2005/concorso2005.htm

For the other website as reference, it is an amateur photographer that might have taken the name in Monza. See all other pictures, he was in Italy at that time.

www.dreamstime.com/xiaoma-latest-stock-photos?pg=2

The PBR has always be only Meiclicel for this variety.

About trademarks :

GREFFE DE VIE (Grafting life) was a charity operation in France done by MEILLAND RICHARDIER with the family of Gregory Lemarchal which died of cystic fibrosis at 23 years old in April 2007.

As the operation stopped, the variety was slowly taken down from production.

But a second life in Kenya as a cut flower came to be, and they choose the trademark Purple PERFUMELLA®.

After this, in 2018, we were developing the concept of Bal Meilland with the 5* hotel Belles Rives in Antibes, France and choosing Meizolnil to be named BELLES RIVES®, we decided to rename also Meiclicel BELLES RIVES®, as the Bal Meilland was mostly an event of cut flower presentation.

yesicannes.com/fr/bal-meilland-belles-rives-la-vie-en-roses-59335

Hope it is clear
Matthias

Reply #7 of 7 posted 9 days ago by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Thank you for the clarification. Listings merged.	REPLY

RoseVIN-819 most recent 9 days ago HIDE POSTS

Initial post 9 days ago by Alain Meilland

Hi HMF, VIN-819 is the code for International Rose Trials of the variety VLR001 trademark Chinook Sunrise which is already an entry of HMF. www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.83058 Cheers	REPLY

Reply #1 of 1 posted 9 days ago by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Listings merged, thank you!	REPLY

RoseAM668-I most recent 4 FEB SHOW ALL

Initial post 6 OCT 22 by Alain Meilland

Reply #1 of 15 posted 6 OCT 22 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #2 of 15 posted 22 MAR 23 by HMF supporting member

Mike_Fitts

Reply #3 of 15 posted 9 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

TaysDragon

Reply #4 of 15 posted 9 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Mike_Fitts

Reply #5 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Reply #6 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #7 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Reply #8 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by Alain Meilland

hello HMF,

Using the same picture doesn't mean it is the same variety. Couple of example :

1) A close up picture of Baipeace can be use for Baipeacesar (climbing mutation, but flower is similare)

2) Another was the mistake by Barni of using the picture of ARTHUR RIMBAUD® Meihylvol for their variety 'Serenata' (no varietal name).

But I confirm that Meicatess is now sold in US by Menagerie Farm & Flower under the trademark 'Loves Me, Loves Me Not™'

Matthias

Reply #9 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #10 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Mike_Fitts

Reply #11 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

TaysDragon

Reply #12 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

TaysDragon

'Meicatess' is listed in the details section on Menagerie Farm & Flower Loves Me, Loves Me Not™ page. I should have included that information earlier. Sorry about that. For some reason, HMF will not allow me to add a direct link to that webpage.	REPLY

Reply #13 of 15 posted 10 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Reply #14 of 15 posted 12 JAN 24 by HMF supporting member

Ericchn

Reply #15 of 15 posted 4 FEB by Benaminh

New for my region in 2024. Label from local nursery in Northern California.	REPLY

RoseMerveille de Givrins most recent 4 SEP SHOW ALL

Initial post 27 AUG by Alain Meilland

Reply #1 of 7 posted 27 AUG by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #2 of 7 posted 28 AUG by Alain Meilland

Well it is rarely in trade prior to the introduction ;) and it is in the process of licensing Switzerland producers under the tradename FRIENDLY® Merveille de Givrins. The press must have made a mistake as I was clear during the event that you participate with me ;) This is similar to Meinatope which is called in Switzerland FRIENDLY® Christina Meylan ;)	REPLY

Reply #3 of 7 posted 29 AUG by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Matthias, yes, I was there, but it seems only you were talking about FRIENDLY. Anyway, HMF usually has different spellings so that members can find a rose. When FRIENDLY roses are commercialized in Switzerland, then the nurseries should have the full trade name in their catalogues and HMF will link the nursery listings accordingly. However, the R sign after the "family" name Friendly creates a problem. The name shown in the nursery listing is only Friendly. See 'Friendly R Christine Meylan. The software is geared towards having the R and TM signs at the end of the name.

Reply #4 of 7 posted 3 SEP by Alain Meilland

I'm still amaze by the fact that breeders cannot correct as he intent his creation to be named on HMF, even if you claim it is possible and easy during our meetings at the WFRS breeders' club.

You are saying : "it seems only you were talking about FRIENDLY" ... Who am I ? What other "proof" do you need than the person representing the breeding house that told you knowingly during the event that the full name for Switzerland is FRIENDLY® Merveille de Givrins ?

so please, and for the 3rd time, have it corrected so people can get true informations and not hearsay or misunderstanding by facebook publications and "local press", thanks.

Also : "Baptised as 'FRIENDLY® Merveille de Givrins' on August 11, 2024 at Givrins, Switzerland, in the context of the Youth Meeting of the Canton of Vaud."

Matthias

Reply #5 of 7 posted 3 SEP by HMF supporting member

jedmar

I am sorry Matthias, it is not a matter of correction: The FRIENDLY® Merveille de Givrins name has been added, but we will keep the 'Merveille de Givrins' as this is how press in Suisse Romande (La Côte, Le Temps) is reporting:

"Ce dimanche, une nouvelle variété de rose sera officiellement baptisée «Merveille de Givrins» sous la cantine de la Cantonale."
"La Cantonale des Jeunesses restera dans l’histoire de la région, mais aussi dans les livres de botanique. Ce dimanche, une nouvelle variété de rose sera baptisée Merveille de Givrins à l’occasion du repas officiel du Rallye de Syndic."
"Produite dans le sud de la France, la Merveille de Givrins sera également commercialisée en Suisse."

On Instagram: "La Merveille de Givrins ???? Une Rose qui porte le nom du village où se déroule actuellement la @cantonale_2024_givrins"

On Facebook: "Je vous présente la "Merveille de Givrins"
"Le 11 août, à eu lieu du premier Rallye des Syndics du Canton de Vaud, une magnifique rose de la maison @rosesmeilland international, à été baptisé au nom de "MERVEILLE DE GIVRINS".

Reply #6 of 7 posted 4 SEP by Alain Meilland

"HMF usually has different spellings so that members can find a rose" So you knowingly use a name that will not be on the market because 2 newspapers and 2 Social accounts made a mistake vs. the breeding house telling you (again and again) what tradename it will be ? Nice... ????	REPLY

Reply #7 of 7 posted 4 SEP by HMF supporting member

jedmar

We list various variants of a name as found in publications. You can ascertain this yourself by checking listings of other roses. See e.g. RADwhite: Synonyms listed are Knock Out White ®, Rosa White Out ™, White Knock Out ®, White Out. All these forms have been used by publications or nurseries. They are listed in order to enable successful searching by Members.

As mentioned above, when the rose is introduced commercially in Switzerland, we will link the name of the introducing nursery to FRIENDLY® Merveille de Givrins (provided the nursery uses this name in its website/catalogue). That will be shown on the Origin line.