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Noisette Roses are most not hardy in the middle of Europe. Aimee Vibert and even Mme Alfred Carrire are the two Noisettes, which did only freeze back a little but do not die!
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I was somewhat surprised to read in the March 1880 Journal des Roses (p.34), a report of which roses did or did not survive the very harsh winter of 1879-80. A correspondent from Chaillevois in northern France wrote that the three roses that resisted the freeze heroically were 'Persian Yellow', 'Aimée Vibert' and a rose whose name was unknown.
I suspect that 'Aimée Vibert' is hardier than HMF has her rated, and wonder if people growing her in colder climes can contribute their experiences of her cold-hardiness.
Virginia
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#2 of 6 posted
20 JUN by
 brunob
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In Botanica's roses: the encyclopedia of roses by Beales Peter 2005 it is said that Aimée Vibert's growth hardiness zones (for Europe) are 5-10. (HZ 5 = -28 to -21 C°)
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That equates to USDA zone 6b, which makes me wonder if HMF was Beale's source for Aimée Vibert's hardiness.
I would still love to hear about anyone's actual experience with growing this rose in colder climes...
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#4 of 6 posted
20 JUN by
brunob
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As far as I know, USDA 6b has winter temperatures between -20.6 and -17. 8 C°
which does not seem to correspond to the Hardiness zones reported by Beale (HZ 5 = -28 to -21 C°)
In any case, I live in an area with USDA 5b (Maritime Alps) and I want to plant an Aimée Vibert this autumn. Within a few years and perhaps even sooner I will be able to share my experience
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You're right- HZ5 is more like USDA zone 7a.
I hope Aimée turns out to be a great rose for you. Since autumn planting means the plant won't be well-established before winter comes, will you provide protection for that first winter?
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#6 of 6 posted
20 JUN by
brunob
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I will cover the rose, at least for the first few winters, to protect it from the snow and again in case of spring frosts, which are possible here until late May. However, snow in itself is a good cover against the winter cold.
Of all the Noisettes only 4 or 5 (e.g. Alister Stella Gray, Meteor, Belle Lyonnaise, Boule de Neige) seem to be able to grow in USDA zone 5b (-26.1 to -23.4 C°)
I hope to be able to add Aimée Vibert to these. However, I think, based on my experiences here, that only after a decade or more can anything definitive be said (not all winters are the same!)
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Sometimes there is alot of confusion because some nurserys in Germany use the wrong synonyms for some of the seven dwarfs, even we do so because to correct it would cause even more confusion for the other German nurserys.
here a complete list of all seven taken from the book modern roses 8:
GERMAN NAME / ENGLISH NAME / COLOUR / WRONG GERMAN NAME (RUF)
Alberich / Happy / currant red / Eberwein
Degenhard /Doc / phlox pink,semidouble /Bertram
Burkhard /Grumpy /pink,small,long truss / Degenhardt
Eberwein /Dopey /crimson-red, truss /Alberich
Bertram /Sneezy /neyron-rose,single /Burkhard
Giesebrecht /Bashfull / reddish pink,white eye,single /Giesebrecht
Balduin /Sleepy /rhodamine pink, very small /Balduin
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#1 of 2 posted
5 FEB 23 by
jedmar
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What you are saying is that Happy, Doc, Grumpy, Dopey, Sneezy are mislabeled in German nurseries. Are they correct in Sangerhausen?
In order not to increase the confusion we will add your comment as a note to the respective rose.
Why don't you change the names to the correct one in your own nursery for a start? We will then approach the other German nurseries for their comments.
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Hello,
Thats really a problem i decided longer ago. One thing is, that in Germany Alberich (Dopey) and Degenhard (Grumpy) are the only two varieties which are common in some nurserys. So if they will chage the Name, they will miss the other varieties. The other thing is that for all Customers which have these two in their Gardens they will surely not change the name or get Information about this, so a name-changing will cause confusion. Thats the reason because i did place this information on HMF still 5 Years ago, but forgot it at bashfull.
In Sangerhausen im not sure, but the had long ago Happy an Doc, dorrectly labeld, but not with german synonyms. I recognized that confusion in the middle 90s when i ordered the 5 missing Dwarfs in an English nursery and in the end i git one variety double and Doc was missing. So i was lucky to get it from Sangerhausen and was able to recognize the Problem.
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this Photo shows Giesebrecht
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#1 of 3 posted
5 FEB 23 by
jedmar
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Reassigned, thank you!
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not for that! do you remember to help me and tell how to add new varieties?
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#3 of 3 posted
5 FEB 23 by
jedmar
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Available from - Gandy's Roses
http://www.gandys-roses.co.uk/catalogue/roses/compacta-roses
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#1 of 4 posted
24 FEB 09 by
Cass
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Hello, James. Are we certain that Gandy's is selling the polyanthas from the 1950's, newly packaged as "Compacta Roses"? I couldn't tell from checking the website.
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Hi Cass,
Check the term "Compacta Roses" in the Help Me Find Glossary on the left of your screen.
C.W. Groves & Son also sells them as "Compacta Roses", and they have nice pictures.
"Compacta Roses" should indicate that Gandy's roses (without the pictures) are the correct polyanthas from the 1950's. 'A picture is worth a thousand words.'.
Jim
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#3 of 4 posted
25 FEB 09 by
Cass
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I'm embarrassed the information was right in front of me! Thanks, Jim.
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Hello Cass,
the term Compacte roses ist original from the Breeder who introduced them in the 1950s under this name because they are really diffrent from other miniature-roses
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