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5 AUG 09 by
calgal
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Thank you Beth for posting photos of a lot of roses. I always click on your photos to get a clear picture of their colors in Northern CA climate. Your photos show true shades. I live near SF (east bay). May I know how this rose does in terms of mildew/black spot/rust? I will appreciate if you can comment on disease resistance. I would also like to get your opinion on comparison between Elle and Sweet Surrender - which one do you think is more fragrant and disease resistant?
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Calgal, I apologize for not answering sooner. Thanks for the nice compliments! As far as disease goes on this rose, I may get some powdery mildew and/or blackspot in the early spring if we have wet weather. I don't spray. Rust is not something we get very often on any of the roses here in my area, so can't say on that.
SWEET SURRENDER and ELLE are very different roses. I would say ELLE is more disease resistant, and grows more vigorously. Both roses for me, reach between 4-6ft. Scent, unfortunately, I can't tell you. I don't pay much attention to fragrance, unless a rose really stands out. I don't remember if ELLE has much scent or not. And SWEET SURRENDER doesn't repeat as much, so I don't recollect what it smells like, altho I do know it does have some scent. All in all, I would say ELLE is a better rose, mainly because the repeat factor is much better. Altho, SWEET SURRENDER is becoming harder and harder to find, so if you can find it, it might be a reason to grab it if you can. And it may do better in your climate than in mine. I have extremely hot, dry summers, often reaching well over 100º for weeks at a time.
Hope that helps some!
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4 AUG 09 by
calgal
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Thanks for posting these photos. It gives us true idea about the color (in a particular climate) as opposed to nursery photos.
Would you be able to comment on the fragrance (mild/strong?) and disease resistance (susceptibility to mildew/black spot) of this rose? I live near San Francisco and mornings are often foggy. I don't like to spray the roses...I rather buy disease-resistant varieties.
Thanks.
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So sorry but I do not have this rose in my own garden. Though I may soon. So pretty! Have you looked for it at a nursery? You may be able to tell all those things esp now that many roses have been sitting there all season and will be showing mildew if they are susceptible.
Are you near Regans?
4268 Decoto Rd
Fremont, CA 94555-3204
Always great place to look at roses.
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#2 of 2 posted
5 AUG 09 by
calgal
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Thanks Kelley for your reply. Yes, Regan is usually my choice for roses. Their roses (on display) are normally healthy and I always thought that they might be spraying chemicals and being a nursery they must be good at taking care. I hardly get time to take real good care, except for regular pruning and fertilizing my plants. That's why I usually go for roses known to be resistant to mildew and other common problems. My Fragrant Cloud always has mildew...I did try organic/not so organic ways. (It could also be due to the fact that it does not get full sun.) My other roses are good though, even if they don't get full sun.
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I would love to find this rose. I had it once but moved to a different home a couple of times since. I loved it then and want it again in my small garden. Any ideas?
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#1 of 15 posted
6 SEP 07 by
LochWes
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Regan's Nursery in Newark, CA carries this rose. I saw their last bush of this season sell this past Saturday.
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Can you tell us more about this nursery ? We don't have them listed on HMF. do they have a website ? Thanks for your help.
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#4 of 15 posted
8 SEP 07 by
LochWes
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I am surprised you do not have Regan Nursery already listed. They are the premier old-time rose nursery in the SF Bay area. They are located on 13 acres near the busy intersection of Highways 84 & 880. Here is their website ->
http://www.regannursery.com/
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Actually, we do have them listed but we show the address as Fremont, CA and not Newark, CA. I see from the web address we are talking about the same nursery.
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#7 of 15 posted
8 SEP 07 by
LochWes
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I guess it is Fremont. - The towns of Union City, Newark, and Fremont all intersect right in the vicinity of the nursery, making it confusing. There is a creek that forms the south boundary of the nursery, and I always thought that was the northern border of Fremont, but apparently not.
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That gives me hope and breaks my heart. I had inquired with them about the rose but they (wisely I suppose) do not ship roses after May 30 or so. Well, pretty soon someone will be shipping for spring.
I plan to buy this rose to add to my small garden - have a place of honor saved for it!
I will check with them, thanks for the tip! Maybe I will not have to purchase "Caribbean" from Canada and pay the "incoming" extra costs, which was a source I had located for fall or spring shipping.
I appreciate your thoughtfulness.
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#6 of 15 posted
8 SEP 07 by
LochWes
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Regan's is a great nursery. Since they have over 10 acres of roses and other plant life, it is hard to not spend a couple of hours there, even for a pre-planned purchase.
I was there last Saturday on the first day of their 50% off end-of-season sale. I went to purchase a "Cary Grant", which is like a "Caribbean" on steroids. They sit right next to each other and I accidentally grabbed the better looking bush of the two, the "Caribbean". Another woman saw the "Caribbean" as I was getting ready to check out and was quite jealous. When I realized I had the "wrong" rose, I let her purchase it, which made her quite happy. I like the "Caribbean", too, but the flower is a bit too similar to a climber I currently own, "Maid of Honor".
- Take a look at my photo of the "Maid of Honor" on this website for comparison. Note that their seems to be a yellow and a different orange blend rose with this same name?? Also note that all three roses I have mentioned here are progeny of "Tropicana" and were hybridized in Germany.
Good luck getting your rose next spring...
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That is a great story from LochWes about nearly buying the Caribbean by accident. Did you find Cary Grant? I will go look at Maid of Honor now on HMF. You sound quite knowledgeable about roses. Have you grown Rio Samba? It is very pretty, more yellow than "Cary Grant/Caribbean" colored, Rio Samba is also a pretty blend of softer tones of apricot/peach/vein of pink. Both roses I once owned.
This season, I researched mightily before purchasing 3 red roses. I wanted each bush to be different but similar enough to catch one's eye as one approaches the house. I selected Velvet Fragrance and William Shakespeare, both reported to be very disease resistant and very very fragrant. Both are new to my garden this season, and own-root roses so only 1 bloom so far but next season should be marvelous.
For the 3rd red rose, I was seduced by a hybrid tea grafted rose that was on 50% off at a local nursery. It is a Jackson and Perkins rose, Black Magic. It was in a 5 gal pot, purchased at a late July half-price sale. I planted it right away and it bloomed the same week! It has bloomed nearly every week since. It is currently covered (on 9/08/2007 in Portland, OR area) with 14 blooms on a bushy plant with beautiful foliage. The rose is a rich dark velvety red. There is only a slight fragrance but otherwise it is THE perfect red rose! ...I wish I had bought the only other Black Magic plant the nursery had!
I have left a rose garden at every home I've owned over the past 30 years. At this home, where I hope to stay a very long time, I have been very particular in what I'm planting in the garden, although I have made a couple of impulse purchases that have turned out ok. Roses can be so sweetly seductive!
Enjoy your roses!
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shakespeare seems to be one of the few Austin roses withOUT any scent .
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#11 of 15 posted
27 MAY 08 by
Unregistered Guest
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The Shakespeare rose I planted last summer just bloomed and it was dripping wonderful perfume, even late in the day. It is the old rose scent, what I think is meant by "old rose scent" anyway.
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#12 of 15 posted
6 FEB 09 by
LochWes
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I am sorry that I had not responded sooner. Thank you for the kind words...
I did find a Cary Grant and have it had over a year now. I have mixed feeling about it. The bush is hardy and the flowers are nice, but they often do open completely. The fragrance is strong and unique, but not one I like comparatively. The bush is angular (grows to one side predominantly). I think I will replace it with an Octoberfest, which is similar but a bit more colorful and without the negatives.
You seem to like the English roses. I have noticed most have great old-rose scents, I do not know a lot about them, but I do appreciate them.
I am very much a fan of Black Magic, too. I saw an article in the local paper about the head gardener at Santa Clara University who was retiring. He cared for 1,000+ campus rose bushes and said Black Magic was one of his favorites (Rio Samba, too!). I like to pair Black Magic with the yellow St. Patrick in a vase. They both last an amazingly long time as cut flowers and compliment each other nicely. I also like the St. Patrick because it is one of just a couple AARS roses hybridized by an individual, not a commercial rose hybridizer.
Good luck with your roses!
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We've had an unusually hard winter here so I'm eager to prune and see what turns up. We rarely have freezing in Portland, OR area but have had about 3 weeks intermittent below 30 degrees.
Enjoy your roses as they return to cheer us in a new year!
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I ordered early and planted my new rose today, 3/19/08. I am so pleased and eager to enjoy this rose!
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#14 of 15 posted
3 AUG 09 by
calgal
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Hi, I read in your profile that you were living in SF bay area. Will you please comment on disease susceptibilty of Caribbean (especially mildew, black spot and rust)? I live in the east bay. BTW, have you had Chris Evert? I have it as a tree rose - bought from Regan Nursery...beautiful rose - bright colors (yellow-orange) that don't fade, disease-resistant, blooms throughout the season. It doesn't have fragrance, that's all. How is your Caribbean doing? Thanks.
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Hi Cal Gal. I'm the one who lives in Portland, OR area. I USED to live in the east bay and LOVED it there. Ask the other person about disease for your area.
In Portland ,where we grow some of the "best" diseases (black spot, mildew, rust) due to being rather moist many months of the year, I have not had a problem with Caribbean as long as I keep working to control diseases. Some are more susceptible here than Caribbean. Check out organic ways to work on disease at gardensalive.com
I have to use less of the stuff and less often but have also used other products. Good luck. blanca
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19 JUL 09 by
calgal
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I live in the SF bay area. Can someone please comment on the plant's disease susceptibility, including susceptibility to mildew and rust? Thanks.
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I have had Love's Promise for three years now in my San Francisco garden (Glen Park neighborhood, transition fog zone). I've had no problems with mildew and just a hint of rust in late fall, so basically it's been clean for me. It does get tall, though. Mine is almost 6' now. It has been very vigorous, free flowering and productive. The flowers are lovely, fragrant and generally well-formed. They make good cut flowers, too -- nice long stems and good vase life.
Sorry -- more than you asked for!
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21 JUL 09 by
calgal
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Thank you, Jeff. I appreciate your reply and especially the additional information.
The more the better :-) I am going to buy this rose for sure.
Thanks much.
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