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Initial post today by odinthor
Lengthy mostly biographical article on Fenzi in Madroño, vol. 7, 1943, p. 18ff.
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Initial post 6 days ago by odinthor
Apparently it also sported for Howard & Smith by 1913; at least, it is listed in their 1913 catalog: “Climbing Marie Van Houtte--Tea Rose. Of a beautiful straw color, with outer petals edged with bright rose; a fine garden rose. 25¢ each.” [Howard & Smith catalog, 1913, unpaginated addition]
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 5 days ago by jedmar
These last pages on the Howard & Smith 1913 catalogue seem to be an inserted 4-page leaflet by Berrydale Gardens, San Jose, Cal. We have added this nursery to our listings. Based on the various information from The Florists' Review, the leaflets has probably to be dated to late 1915 to first half of 1916.
Due to the short-lived nature of this enterprise, the availability of the roses listed in the leaflet needs some further scrutiny: Possibly a catalogue of the earlier enterprise, the Santa Cruz Bulb & Plant Co.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 5 days ago by odinthor
Interesting!

A little more info on Berrydale: In business by October of 1911 (National Nurseryman, last page of issue of December of 1911, reproducing a letter dated October 26, 1911) In 1916, they moved from San Jose, Calif., all the way to Fort Wayne, Indiana (Horticulture, July 22, 1916, p. 126). By December 25, 1920, they were back in Calif. and their address was 1715 Webster St., San Francisco (California Cultivator, December 4, 1920, p. 744). By 1921, they had moved to 101 California St., San Francisco (Weekly Florists' Review, March 31, 1921, p. 24).
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 5 days ago by jedmar
We added your comments to the listing on Berrydale Gardens, thank you! On this 1915/16 leaflet, they list Climbing Buttercup, Climbing Mrs. Hubert Taylor and Climbing Marie van Houtte. Is it not possible that these were just the bush form, which in California could also be trained as a climber? See the note from "Gardening Illustrated" of 1908 to 'Maman Cochet'.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 5 days ago by odinthor
It's one of those cases where perhaps at least a footnote to this effect as to that possibility is called for. As 'Marie Van Houtte' was, and is, a very well-known rose, with its (very vigorous) growth habit presumably also well known, it would be somewhat fatuous (at best) for a nursery to list the bush version as 'Climbing Marie Van Houtte', making it look as if it were somehow different from the bush; in such a case, the responsible thing would be to list it without the "Climbing" in the title, then with a sentence added, "Can also be used as a climber." But sometimes people are fatuous, sometimes people are irresponsible--and so the abovementioned "footnote to this effect" is called for. But in the absence of manifestly conflicting evidence in cases like this, my own philosophy is "take the listing at face value--and adjust if and when clearly compelling evidence shows up."
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Initial post 6 days ago by odinthor
This would be Lu Verne P. Golie, of Union City, California (see American Rose Annual 1964, p. 190).
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 6 days ago by jedmar
Thank you!
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Initial post 7 days ago by odinthor
The reference from Gardener's Monthly, given here as 1876, "Referring to the origin of the Manetti Rose," was puzzling, as it refers to "a recent issue of the Journal des Roses," which didn't commence publication until 1877 (an earlier Journal des Roses was published 1854-1859). The quote is actually from p. 165 of the 1882 Gardener's Monthly.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 7 days ago by jedmar
Corrected, thank you for the heads up!
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