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RosePerfume Beauty ™ most recent 17 MAY 17 SHOW ALL

Initial post 8 NOV 05 by HMF supporting member

Mich, Fremont, CA

Reply #1 of 4 posted 10 NOV 05 by Wendy C

Reply #2 of 4 posted 14 NOV 05 by HMF supporting member

Mich, Fremont, CA

Thank you so much for the info!

I'm in Fremont, CA near San Francisco. I was interested in Perfume Beauty cause I'd seen a reference on a web site saying how much more beautiful it was than Perfume Delight and how much better the scent was also. Fragrance is at the top of my list, among other things, but unfortunately I've very picky. A rose that is gorgeous but doesn't have good scent, or a great scented rose that's stingy with flowers still won't make the grade. The descriptions in the Northland catalog, "a light rose scent" and "gentle fragrance," doesn't exactly sound like the rose I was expecting. Some of my favorite roses are Yves Piaget, Shocking Blue, Mr. Lincoln, Mme Isaac Pereire, Jardins de Bagatelle, Perfume Delight, Sheila's Perfume, and Velvet Fragrance, so it's got some stiff competition. Has anyone grown this rose and what did you think of it?

Reply #3 of 4 posted 10 NOV 06 by LochWes

Mich- I purchased a Perfume Beauty as a 1-1/2 grade bare root at Home Depot (S.F. Peninsula) this past March. Here is a summary of my one season of experience with Perfume Beauty-> Pros: Hardy plant, long strong stocks, nice dark green foliage, disease resistant (so far), pleasant unique medium-strength damask fragrance, up to 6-1/2 inch blooms, many (~45) petals, ~5 day vase life. | Cons: A little stingy with blooms, first flushes were balling-up so I have been helping the blooms out by hand (to continue until I observe better natural unfurling), petals are prone to damage/discoloration at their apex. | I uploaded Photo Id: 58791. It is a good example of my blooms. Hope these observations are still helpful to you at this late date...

Reply #4 of 4 posted 17 MAY 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5

Thank you for the info. on fragrance.	REPLY

RoseMaid of Honour (hybrid tea, Weddle, 1986) most recent 23 SEP 10 SHOW ALL

Initial post 31 AUG 06 by LochWes

I purchased my Maid of Honor as a bare root climber. The flower color is yellow/orange centered blending to coral on the petal tips. The colors are similar to photos I have seen of its parent, Folklore. The Maid of Honor flower eventually fades to a single, slightly lighter shade of coral. My climber is headed toward a healthy 6' in the first year while continually flowering on individual stems. It is the most pleasant surprise of the roses I planted this year.

Reply #1 of 5 posted 20 SEP 10 by HMF supporting member

Dianne's Southwest Idaho Rose Garden

There is a separate category on HMF for the climbing version of Maid of Honor, and it is listed as an orange blend. Perhaps you could move your photos to that category? Since there aren't any photos of that rose yet, I'm sure they would be appreciated there.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 5 posted 20 SEP 10 by LochWes

Thank you for noticing new category. Will move photo/comments there.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 5 posted 21 SEP 10 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

The height info of 4' to 12' seems to cover both the bush and the climbing version. Has anyone experience how tall the HT really gets?	REPLY

Reply #4 of 5 posted 23 SEP 10 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Hi Jedmar, many years ago, I managed a specialty rose nursery here in the Los Angeles area called Limberlost Roses. Bob Edberg, who started the nursery and sold it to a landscape company (for whom I managed it), bought MANY of the roses from Hortico in Canada. Bride's Dream was one of them. In fifteen gallon cans, Bride's Dream was 7' - 8' tall with wrist thick canes toward the bottoms of the monster plants. Ironically, I know someone who also purchased roses from Hortico, and for whom, the root stock suckers from those plants, turned out to be Bride's Dream. Very odd seeing MORE vigorous root stock shoots with Bride's Dream flowers!

Reply #5 of 5 posted 23 SEP 10 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

It seems California is very friendly to rose growth! We imported some bare roots into Europe from Cal and they were such clubs, too! I will change the upper limit for Bride's Dream to 8'.	REPLY

RoseMaid of Honor, Cl. most recent 20 SEP 10 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 20 SEP 10 by LochWes

I purchased my Maid of Honor as a bare root climber in the Spring of 2006. The flower color is yellow/orange centered blending to coral on the petal tips. The colors are similar to photos I have seen of its parent, Folklore. The Maid of Honor flower eventually fades to a single, slightly lighter shade of coral. My climber is headed toward a healthy 6' in the first year while continually flowering on individual stems. It is the most pleasant surprise of the roses I planted this year.

RoseCaribbean ™ most recent 3 AUG 09 SHOW ALL

Initial post 10 JUL 07 by blancablack

Reply #1 of 15 posted 6 SEP 07 by LochWes

Reply #2 of 15 posted 7 SEP 07 by HMF supporting member

HMF Admin

Reply #4 of 15 posted 8 SEP 07 by LochWes

I am surprised you do not have Regan Nursery already listed. They are the premier old-time rose nursery in the SF Bay area. They are located on 13 acres near the busy intersection of Highways 84 & 880. Here is their website -> http://www.regannursery.com/	REPLY

Reply #5 of 15 posted 8 SEP 07 by HMF supporting member

HMF Admin

Reply #7 of 15 posted 8 SEP 07 by LochWes

I guess it is Fremont. - The towns of Union City, Newark, and Fremont all intersect right in the vicinity of the nursery, making it confusing. There is a creek that forms the south boundary of the nursery, and I always thought that was the northern border of Fremont, but apparently not.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 15 posted 8 SEP 07 by blancablack

That gives me hope and breaks my heart. I had inquired with them about the rose but they (wisely I suppose) do not ship roses after May 30 or so. Well, pretty soon someone will be shipping for spring.
I plan to buy this rose to add to my small garden - have a place of honor saved for it!
I will check with them, thanks for the tip! Maybe I will not have to purchase "Caribbean" from Canada and pay the "incoming" extra costs, which was a source I had located for fall or spring shipping.
I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

Reply #6 of 15 posted 8 SEP 07 by LochWes

Regan's is a great nursery. Since they have over 10 acres of roses and other plant life, it is hard to not spend a couple of hours there, even for a pre-planned purchase.

I was there last Saturday on the first day of their 50% off end-of-season sale. I went to purchase a "Cary Grant", which is like a "Caribbean" on steroids. They sit right next to each other and I accidentally grabbed the better looking bush of the two, the "Caribbean". Another woman saw the "Caribbean" as I was getting ready to check out and was quite jealous. When I realized I had the "wrong" rose, I let her purchase it, which made her quite happy. I like the "Caribbean", too, but the flower is a bit too similar to a climber I currently own, "Maid of Honor".

- Take a look at my photo of the "Maid of Honor" on this website for comparison. Note that their seems to be a yellow and a different orange blend rose with this same name?? Also note that all three roses I have mentioned here are progeny of "Tropicana" and were hybridized in Germany.

Good luck getting your rose next spring...

Reply #8 of 15 posted 9 SEP 07 by blancablack

That is a great story from LochWes about nearly buying the Caribbean by accident. Did you find Cary Grant? I will go look at Maid of Honor now on HMF. You sound quite knowledgeable about roses. Have you grown Rio Samba? It is very pretty, more yellow than "Cary Grant/Caribbean" colored, Rio Samba is also a pretty blend of softer tones of apricot/peach/vein of pink. Both roses I once owned.
This season, I researched mightily before purchasing 3 red roses. I wanted each bush to be different but similar enough to catch one's eye as one approaches the house. I selected Velvet Fragrance and William Shakespeare, both reported to be very disease resistant and very very fragrant. Both are new to my garden this season, and own-root roses so only 1 bloom so far but next season should be marvelous.
For the 3rd red rose, I was seduced by a hybrid tea grafted rose that was on 50% off at a local nursery. It is a Jackson and Perkins rose, Black Magic. It was in a 5 gal pot, purchased at a late July half-price sale. I planted it right away and it bloomed the same week! It has bloomed nearly every week since. It is currently covered (on 9/08/2007 in Portland, OR area) with 14 blooms on a bushy plant with beautiful foliage. The rose is a rich dark velvety red. There is only a slight fragrance but otherwise it is THE perfect red rose! ...I wish I had bought the only other Black Magic plant the nursery had!
I have left a rose garden at every home I've owned over the past 30 years. At this home, where I hope to stay a very long time, I have been very particular in what I'm planting in the garden, although I have made a couple of impulse purchases that have turned out ok. Roses can be so sweetly seductive!
Enjoy your roses!

Reply #10 of 15 posted 27 MAY 08 by HMF supporting member

timdufelmeier

Reply #11 of 15 posted 27 MAY 08 by Unregistered Guest

The Shakespeare rose I planted last summer just bloomed and it was dripping wonderful perfume, even late in the day. It is the old rose scent, what I think is meant by "old rose scent" anyway.	REPLY

Reply #12 of 15 posted 6 FEB 09 by LochWes

I am sorry that I had not responded sooner. Thank you for the kind words...

I did find a Cary Grant and have it had over a year now. I have mixed feeling about it. The bush is hardy and the flowers are nice, but they often do open completely. The fragrance is strong and unique, but not one I like comparatively. The bush is angular (grows to one side predominantly). I think I will replace it with an Octoberfest, which is similar but a bit more colorful and without the negatives.

You seem to like the English roses. I have noticed most have great old-rose scents, I do not know a lot about them, but I do appreciate them.

I am very much a fan of Black Magic, too. I saw an article in the local paper about the head gardener at Santa Clara University who was retiring. He cared for 1,000+ campus rose bushes and said Black Magic was one of his favorites (Rio Samba, too!). I like to pair Black Magic with the yellow St. Patrick in a vase. They both last an amazingly long time as cut flowers and compliment each other nicely. I also like the St. Patrick because it is one of just a couple AARS roses hybridized by an individual, not a commercial rose hybridizer.

Good luck with your roses!

Reply #13 of 15 posted 6 FEB 09 by blanca black

We've had an unusually hard winter here so I'm eager to prune and see what turns up. We rarely have freezing in Portland, OR area but have had about 3 weeks intermittent below 30 degrees. Enjoy your roses as they return to cheer us in a new year!	REPLY

Reply #9 of 15 posted 20 MAR 08 by blancablack

Reply #14 of 15 posted 3 AUG 09 by calgal

Hi, I read in your profile that you were living in SF bay area. Will you please comment on disease susceptibilty of Caribbean (especially mildew, black spot and rust)? I live in the east bay. BTW, have you had Chris Evert? I have it as a tree rose - bought from Regan Nursery...beautiful rose - bright colors (yellow-orange) that don't fade, disease-resistant, blooms throughout the season. It doesn't have fragrance, that's all. How is your Caribbean doing? Thanks.

Reply #15 of 15 posted 3 AUG 09 by blancablack

Hi Cal Gal. I'm the one who lives in Portland, OR area. I USED to live in the east bay and LOVED it there. Ask the other person about disease for your area.
In Portland ,where we grow some of the "best" diseases (black spot, mildew, rust) due to being rather moist many months of the year, I have not had a problem with Caribbean as long as I keep working to control diseases. Some are more susceptible here than Caribbean. Check out organic ways to work on disease at gardensalive.com
I have to use less of the stuff and less often but have also used other products. Good luck. blanca