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What is this ? most recent 13 SEP 09 SHOW ALL

Initial post 5 JUL 06 by Sandymento

the tag said Mother's Day and it's now lost...but there isn't anything that I can find that matches it on these pages...the unique cluster is huge and has the pinkish rose in the middle surrounded by yellow...any guesses?	REPLY

Reply #1 of 24 posted 6 JUL 06

Reply #2 of 24 posted 6 JUL 06 by Anonymous-104317

Need your help...where would I find the "David Austin page"? And...I'm confused by the idea about the parent throwing a yellow blossom...explain to a novice...pretty please? :) ...here's more photos to maybe help...and yes there is a fragrance... (...found the site http://www.davidaustinroses.com/american/) ...but not the flower...	REPLY

Reply #3 of 24 posted 6 JUL 06 by Wendy C

This is a most unusual rose. The center bloom would be the oldest in the spray. If it is a phototropic rose all of them should age to the same pink. Is it doing that?

The yellow roses look like Peace to me. The problem is Peace isn't a floribunda, which this one seems to be. So odd. From the rose search page you could do a search for 'ARS' Yellow blend, Floribunda or Grandiflora and see what pops up.

I wish I could be of more help. I'd be very interested in knowing what this little rose is.

I think Jody was refering to the rose bush throwing a 'Sport'. A sport is a natural mutation. Chicago Peace is a Sport of Peace. Most sports aren't stable, but some are. You would have the different rose budded on it's own root stock and watch it to see if it stayed the same or went back to the orginal variety.

Best of Luck

Reply #4 of 24 posted 6 JUL 06 by Sandymento

OK...you've taught me some very important things to watch...including the entire process from bloom to dead-heading! Turns out we usually cut the clusters and bring them inside when the middle one is pink and the others are yellow...and we've never just left a whole lot outside in the sun to see what happens...and since doing all this I did just that and below you will see what happened. Exactly what you asked about...all the flowers "aged" to the same pink! I'm headed over to the ARS pages to see what else I can learn...but thank you for teaching me this important way to observe the blooms!

Reply #5 of 24 posted 6 JUL 06 by Wendy C

You are most assuredly welcome. Intriqued by your blooms I did a search for yellow blend, floribundas and Summer Fashion came up. I wonder if this might be what you have. I don't grow Summer Fashion, so it's just a guess.	REPLY

Reply #6 of 24 posted 6 JUL 06 by Sandymento

Wow...I was going alphabetically down the list of over 200...and I was on Arc De Triomphe ..which after viewing the variety of photos I could swear that was pretty close to mine...and then I checked your suggestion of Summer Fashion...HAHAH...they are the same! I guess great minds think alike! :) Thanks ...I think I'm going to continue taking photos, counting petals and doing more to see if indeed this is it...but it sure is close!

Reply #11 of 24 posted 7 JUL 06 by Sandymento

Well, I've found another possibility...take a look at French Perfume...some of the photos look very close too! I've counted the petals just to be sure and there are about 30...and the ones that have been brought inside are turning almost white with the pink slowly disappearing...so I'm wondering if that's something French Perfume would do too? And since Summer Fashion says it only has 20 petals, how strict is that count...should I rule it out because of petal count?

Reply #12 of 24 posted 10 JUL 06 by Wendy C

Your rose could very well be French Perfume. I would compare information on both roses. Examine pictures which include foliage and make your decision from that. I don't grow either, so I can't be much more help... though it certainly looks as if I should grow them both! smile	REPLY

Reply #7 of 24 posted 7 JUL 06 by HMF supporting member

RoseBlush

To find the David Austin page, go to "Breeders" on the navigation bar on the left of the Welcome page and then enter "Austin" in the search field. A page for the breeder will come up and there will be tabs near the top. Just click on the "Roses Bred" tab and you will have an alphabetical listing of all of the roses he has bred that are included in our database. Smiles, Lyn, helpmefind.com	REPLY

Reply #8 of 24 posted 7 JUL 06

Reply #9 of 24 posted 7 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Reply #10 of 24 posted 7 JUL 06 by Anonymous-104317

Hi Penny...your buds look different than the early stages of mine...yours look totally pink, where mine are almost totally yellow, then turn pink as the "age"...however mine does have a very slight hint of a fragrance which I couldn't smell as good outside, but indoors you can sense some. Also, one branch will pop with about 6 buds, the middle one goes pink first while the others catch up going from yellow to pink...is yours a single bloom per branch?-SANDY

Reply #13 of 24 posted 10 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello.How interesting! Yes, mine is all pink. I know roses of different colours could, theoretically, be grafted together, but it's more like to be a sport, don't you think? I'll do some looking, too. Good luck with the search. Bye,Penny.	REPLY

Reply #14 of 24 posted 10 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Reply #15 of 24 posted 10 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello yet again.I've just found a site that states that roses can change colour palette (on the same bush) so that they are often not recognisable as being the same rose. I can't seem to paste the link, so I've typed it for you. http://www.ars.org/About_Roses/propagating-colour-palette.htmThe paragraph is roughly half-way down the page. Bye,Penny. :)	REPLY

Reply #16 of 24 posted 10 JUL 06 by Sandymento

Taking a look at the photos I do see the variety of colors...and this bush pops out some beauties...I'm still amazed to see the beautiful yellows go so pink! The hard part is that we might never know what it is. :(	REPLY

Reply #17 of 24 posted 11 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Reply #19 of 24 posted 11 JUL 06 by Sandymento

Penny, I might not be 100% sure but I think it's narrowed down to Summer Fashion...and everything that I learned in order to guess should help me figure out the next one! I've got about 14 unknowns and/or ones that aren't behaving like what we thought they were! Although I'm still comforted knowing a dear friend gave me all these to start our garden, I will always be grateful that she shared her roses with us before she lost her battle to breast cancer. Thanks for all the help, suggestions and clues!

Reply #21 of 24 posted 12 JUL 06 by HMF supporting member

RoseBlush

If you have that many unidentified roses, I strongly suggest you learn how to use the advanced search feature on the HelpMeFind site. It's a wonderful tool and you don't have to wait for someone to respond.

I have written several posts with step-by-step instructions, so go to "Search Posts"; enter "Advanced Search"; then click to match the phrase exactly. You will find the instructions easy to follow and may be able to help others in their searches for identifications of their roses after you have used this tool yourself.

Good Luck !

Smiles,

Lyn, helpmefind.com

Reply #22 of 24 posted 12 JUL 06 by Sandymento

LYN....Yes, I've been trying to learn all the steps to using that and need some guidance so I will go do a search for your posts, thanks. I think the best thing I'm doing now is just soaking up every little detail involved with each rose bush. I've even started a spreadsheet and given each one a code so I don't get mixed up. There are so many things to learn...we just appreciate the effort on this site to help those of us who are "new" to doing more than just viewing or smelling our roses. However I did cut some beauties just today and brought them inside...the weather is suppose to heat up by the weekend into the 100+ degrees and I prefer to view the blooms INDOORS! :) ...hmmmmm...love those fragrant ones! :) I'm headed over to search posts...THANKS!! -Sandy in Sacramento

Reply #23 of 24 posted 12 JUL 06 by HMF supporting member

RoseBlush

I am glad you are going to try to use the HelpMeFind tools on your own. If you have problems, please let me know. We want the site to be easy for all users, no matter how experienced they are in using computers or growing roses.

By the way, if you contact the volunteer group that maintains the rose garden at the Sacramento Cemetery, you will meet up with some very experienced and generous rosarians. They are always looking for new volunteers AND they love teaching what they know about roses. If I lived anywhere near there, I would grovel to have the opportunity to work with these people.

Smiles,

Lyn, helpmefind.com

Reply #18 of 24 posted 11 JUL 06 by HMF supporting member

RoseBlush

From the photos, I would almost bet money that your rose is 'Summer Fashion'. I have grown the rose for several years and have finally given it away. To me, it seemed to be a weak plant that produced incredible blooms. Almost anything seems to stress the plant. (This year, it has looked absolutely wonderful...maybe because it knew it was leaving my garden.)

The bloom form, the foliage and how the bloom ages are what tends to make me believe you have identified your rose.

Smiles,

Lyn, helpmefind.com

Reply #20 of 24 posted 11 JUL 06 by Sandymento

Lyn, thanks for the extra confidence of it's name...I'm going to be watching it very closely to see if I can get more clues. This bush is well established, like many that we started our garden with and haven't given us any trouble. We started buying from a grower in Petaluma whenever we visit our favorite get-away...Bodega Bay! He's always got the exact rose we want, they always bloom as expected ... sometimes we just "window shop" around the grounds to see which one we will be buying another day! Thanks for helping me get EDUCATED about identifying roses!

Reply #24 of 24 posted 12 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello. :)Really good that you think you know what your rose is......only a garden-ful left to identify! I'll take a look at that one. 've learned such a lot from looking for my roses. That is nice, to have the gift of roses from a friend no long with you.Bye,Penny.	REPLY

Reply #25 of 24 posted 12 JUL 06 by Sandymento

For us ...her gift has multiplied...my husband has always taken care of ours at home and then at his High School we started to care for a rose garden there that was once established, but neglected. We go in regularly (even over summer) to weed, mulch and fertilize and since it's right by their office...ALL the staff appreciates it! Plus, we've planted a couple new bushes in honor of our sons, working in education and the Army. (Hot Cocoa and Honor) The original roses there were given by another Rosarian years ago and so it's only fitting that we carry on tradition. My father and grandfather worked in a Nursery many years ago and I'm just blessed to have a spouse that will dead-head and fret over aphids! :) SANDY

Reply #26 of 24 posted 13 SEP 09 by Jean Macchiavelli

I love roses and put 12 in just because it was convenient...but soon learned to love care for them daily. I now have 22 beautiful roses and all my beds are free of any weeds but are well mulched with black mulch. Absolutely beautiful and so is my table with freshly cut roses daily. I am eager to learn more about roses. Jean	REPLY

GardenDave and Deb Boyd most recent 12 SEP 06 SHOW ALL

Initial post 9 JUL 06 by Sandymento

I have a bush that someone suggested was Chrysler Imperial when we were pretty sure it was American Dream...they said that it's because it has "white stripes on the guard petals"...which it does. However, it's only got about 20+ petals (CI has more) and it's an older bush given to us by a neighbor so we don't have tags or other info. So...does your AD ever have white stripes on the guard petals? And if you know...what other roses have this that we should consider as comparison? Thanks...Sandy in Sacramento

Reply #1 of 3 posted 10 JUL 06 by Wendy C

Sandy, I have a number of red roses which get 'white stripes' on the guard petals. Opening Night, Ingrid Bergman and Mr. Lincoln to name a few. I don't think this single thing would rule out your rose being American Dream. Best of Luck	REPLY

Reply #2 of 3 posted 10 JUL 06 by Sandymento

hmmm...thanks...it gets hard to absorb all the different things that rule a name in or out...when we got it from a neighbor (now gone) she told my husband she thought it was American Beauty but it just didn't match any photos I found...so when I kept comparing, American Dream was the best match...I think I need to still keep looking for clues...but I might never know, eh?	REPLY

Reply #3 of 3 posted 12 SEP 06 by digger

Glad I clicked on the comments tab. I didn't realize the question was here. I'll check more often. Many of our reds get a white stripe on the guard petals. Mirandy has many. American Dream occasionally. I didn't grow AD when I grew roses in the Sacramento area (Fair Oaks, Carmichael and Roseville for 20+ years) AD isn't very fragrant here in Montana, mild at best. Dave	REPLY

What is this ? most recent 7 JUL 06 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 5 JUL 06 by Sandymento

These pop as white buds with pink edges and hold that thru out their bloom, no fragrance but excellant blooms...any ideas?	REPLY

Reply #1 of 9 posted 6 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi, a guess would be Double Delight but it is supposed to have a spicey fragrance. I don't have it so I don't know. Good Luck!!	REPLY

Reply #2 of 9 posted 6 JUL 06 by Sandymento

Wow...after I got the name from your reply I went and looked at the wide range of photos that are listed for this one...and comparing it to mine it is VERY close. I'm going to continue to watch the buds and blooms and do more comparison, but thanks for a very good guess! I'm also going to double check for fragrance! :)	REPLY

Reply #3 of 9 posted 6 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi it could be it just isn't fragrant to you? There was discussion the other day about Iceberg. some books say it's lightly scented, other books say no scent at all. a book I have says about double delight " the striking flowers are double , very large and high-centered ( sometimes double centered) with cream white petals edged with strawberry when first opening" interestingly it also says, if grown in a greenhouse with no ultraviolent light they remain white. Good luck with the ID on this beautiful rose.

Reply #4 of 9 posted 6 JUL 06 by Sandymento

Thank Jody...I guess my goal is to just try to get a good guess on the ID...and then by counting petals, etc. try to secure a solid guess. However, we are learning alot just by trying to create a list of all our roses! We also know that there are several Rose Gardens around the capital here in Sacramento and we plan a few walks to compare our flowers to theirs! Thanks for helping me narrow it down! :)

Reply #5 of 9 posted 6 JUL 06 by Wendy C

There are a couple of different roses which are pink/red on the edge and white in the center. There are couple of ways to determine Double Delight from the others.

1.If all of your blooms are different. DD is phototropic (the sun changes the white to red) so it rarely has two blooms the same.

2.Bring a bloom into the house. If it's DD, the red will fade over the course of a few days in the absense of UV light.

Your photo looks like Double Delight to me. An absolutely delightful garden rose to have. I wouldn't be without it.

Best of Luck

Reply #6 of 9 posted 6 JUL 06 by Sandymento

OK...I've cut some blooms and brought them inside but also took more photos...you can tell that they started with more white in the middle when closed...but eventually with the sun from the past few days they have popped or aged into a red....is this what is called "blushing" or "blooms in flushes" ...and is it what you referred to as phototropic?	REPLY

Reply #7 of 9 posted 7 JUL 06 by Jody

HI this sure is a beautiful rose. I think blooms in flushes mean the frequency of blooming. That it periodically has a flush of blooms, then a period of no blooming (versus pereptual or continual blooming) but Wendy is the one to ask. Check out her page under Ezine on this site, Roses 101. she is a good writer and really helpful to the novice.	REPLY

Reply #8 of 9 posted 7 JUL 06 by Sandymento

I've learned so much off these pages...thanks!! :)	REPLY

Reply #9 of 9 posted 7 JUL 06 by Wendy C

You're Welcome. It is always a pleasure to help. Jody has the right of it concerning flushes. There are many members of HMF whose knowledge far exceeds mine. Roses will offer a lifetime of learning if the student is willing. smile I've been very fortunate to have generous rosarians to help me along.	REPLY

Publication / Article / VideoA Rose Garden for Everyone / Roses 101 most recent 6 JUL 06 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 6 JUL 06 by Sandymento

The details about different types of flowers were basic enough to understand and helped us to determine what we have! Good info and suggestions!	REPLY