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The current owners tell me their family have grown it since 1942. The flowers are 3-5cm in diameter. They don't think it's scented, which argues against Lady Gay as an ID.
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Some people can smell roses. Others (like me) can’t.
There are two ‘Lady Gay’ roses listed in HelpMeFind.
Lady Gay (hybrid wichurana, Walsh, 1903) (Rosa wichuraiana Crép. synonym × Bardou Job)
Lady Gay (hybrid multiflora, Geschwind, 1905) (seedling of Crimson Rambler × Unknown)
Walsh’s rose is likely to be fragrant, because ‘Bardou Job’ was fragrant.
Geschwind’s rose is likely to not be fragrant, because Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’ wasn’t.
Despite Geschwind’s rose being classified as multiflora, (as is ‘Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’)
if the pollen parent of Geschwind’s rose was R. wichurana, the resulting offspring might look a wich as does
‘Evangeline’ and ‘Excelsa’. I wish we knew more about Geschwind’s ‘Lady Gay’.
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Yes, it is true: we do not all detect fragrance in the same way. I can't detect China rose scent, but can detect the scent of most OGRs with a "damask" scent. I don't remember scent on 'Lady Gay', but it won't flower for another four months for me so can't check. I lost my own LG but know a big hedge of it an hour away. The Walsh roses that have scent that carries in the air are 'Evangeline' and 'Nokomis'.
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Margaret, I feel sure you have said somewhere (?private email) that “Loveday” is prickly.
Johno has sent me a 1969 Sedunarys Upper Murray Nursery catalogue. This nursery was at Loveday S.A. They listed ‘Pinkie Climbing’ which apparently is thornless.
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Yes wich-prickly: and once-flowering, so it's not Cl Pinkie.
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Palustris, would you please check whether Lady Gay is scented, if you can visit the hedge next month.
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It will be about six weeks before Lady Gay flowers here. I'm looking forward to the ramblers blooming.
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Dear Koolami,
Have you managed to find out who the breeder of 'Brindabella Golden Tiger' was since March 1, 2010? See main page note.
And while I am at it, do you, or anyone else know who bred
Brindabella L'Amour
Brindabella Gold Tiger
Brindabella Magnifica
Brindabella Raspberry Tiger
Brindabella Swirl
Some dates would be good.
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#2 of 1 posted
14 APR by
Plazbo
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it's likely
Brindabella L'Amour = Grand Siecle
Raspberry Tiger = Henri Matisse
Brindabella Swirl was out in 2005 (when they were still selling the other delbards under delbard names) based on web.archive
so unlikely affected by other post
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Could 'Brindabella Golden Tiger' be 'Camille Pissaro' renamed?
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14 APR by
Plazbo
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Probably more Paul Cezanne and Camile Pissaro became "Yellow Tiger"
Viewing their website on web.archive can see they started switching the delbard painters to "tigers" in 2009
Maurice Utrillo became "Tiger"
"Salmon Tiger" is likely Grimaldi
"Red Tiger" is likely Red Intuition
etc
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Growing a fair few of the fringed carnation-like “pinks” here, Sherri’s words “ "Red Bluff Oakhill Cemetary, Leak Grave, MP Carnation-like", make me think of my Fimbriata (hybrid china, Jacques, 1827). Photos will be interesting.
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Thinking again about the South Australian mini-China ("Hahndorf midwife's", "Ebenezer-Habermann"). Do "Oakington Ruby" and "Sherri Berglund's" (if it has one) lose the white eye as the flower darkens with age?
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Oakington Ruby loses the white center with age, yes. I saw your photos of "Midwife" and that plant certainly seems to be the same as what we grow here as Oakington Ruby.
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Thank you - I'm pleased we have a rose which has been a very significant parent.
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I just looked at your photos of Fimbriata. Sherri's plant is a dwarf rose, and the blooms rarely exceed 3/4 inch in diameter.
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5 APR by
Joe
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Hi Paul,
Have you noticed if your "Red Bluff Oakhill Cemetary" set hips? I wanted to use Oakington Ruby as a seed parent but it’s pretty hard to find. Hoping to substitute with RBOC instead.
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Red Bluff Oakhill dwarf China doesn't set seeds, no. At least it never has for me.
Oakington Ruby shouldn't be too hard to find. Have you asked Burling? I sent her a load of cuttings about 2 years ago.
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9 APR by
Joe
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Thank you, Paul! Burling had it. I'm hoping to breed something like your "Priscilla Plumbbob/81-02-01" out of it
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Good luck. Be smart and choose a highly disease resistant variety to mate it with. Oakington Ruby is extremely Blackspot prone, and it gladly passes that trait on to most of its offspring if you're not careful.
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