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Michelle Wilson
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Initial post 18 MAY 06 by Anonymous-101874

I am hoping that someone can clear up a problem for me.I am unsure of the ID of this rose:Any help would be much appreciated,


thanks in advance         Michelle


PS please disregard the name printed on the photo, it is not correct.

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Reply #1 of 8 posted 23 MAY 06 by HMF Admin
I think it would be helpful to have a much closer photo.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 24 JUN 06 by Anonymous-101874

Hi


Here is a better photo I hope.Not sure of the size..hope it will be ok.


Thanks for your responses


Cheers


Michelle

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Reply #2 of 8 posted 22 JUN 06 by Jody
Hi it looks a little a Therese Bugnet but I can't see the cane and foilage in this pix. Is it very fragrant?
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 24 JUN 06 by Anonymous-101874

Hi Jody..yes it is extremely fragrant.


Thanks for your reply.


cheers  Michelle

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Reply #5 of 8 posted 24 JUN 06 by Jody
Hi Michelle, Thanks for the beautiful photos. The flowers look like my Therese Bugnets but the foilage looks different to me. The leaves on the T. Bugnets  are much narrower. I am not sure what this is. There are so many beautiful pink roses. It looks a bit like Centifolia Muscosa, or it's parent R. Centifolia? Maybe some  else has an idea. Good luck with the ID.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 28 JUN 06 by Anonymous-101874

Thanks Jodie


Thanks for your interest.


cheers


Michelle

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Reply #7 of 8 posted 29 JUN 06 by Meschuee
Hello :)She looks just like my "Octavia Hill", which I planted a few days ago.  Take a look at her photo and see what you think.  Do her flowers hang over?     Penny :)
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 30 JUN 06 by Anonymous-101874

Hi Penny


It certainly looks like your photo.This is getting more mysterious as I go along! I will look up my books and do a bit of research.


Yes the blooms droop and have very spiky thorns on the canes..


The foliage is a light green.


cheers


Michelle

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GardenHenrique Rodrigues Vivián
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Initial post 29 APR 06 by Cheryl

Hi Henrique,


I always admire your beautiful photos and like others who have commented here I have learnt to pick them as they are added to HMF. I notice that you grow the Delbard rose 'Belle du Seigneur'. I also notice that the only photos of it have come from you. I cannot seem to get a decent flower on this rose. They seem to often be misshapen and poor although the plant is healthy and very vigorous. It may be a climate problem as I live in Australia and it is very warm here. I just wondered how you found the blooms on this plant? Thanks. Once again your roses are lovely.


Cheryl Moore

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Reply #1 of 9 posted 2 MAY 06 by Unregistered Guest

Hi Cheryl


I also live in Australia in Melbourne ,Victoria.


I have Belle du Seigneur growing as a standard.I bought it in May 06 and have had heaps of blooms.I,too have a number of Delbards and have success with all except La Jago.


With Belle: have you thought about your feeding routine?I use Blood and Bone,cow manure,and every now and then  I throw on a bit of Thrive and MiracleGro.I have mine in a very sunny position and always trim back or deadhead to encourage new growth.


I cant say I have the  same success with La Jago,bought at the same time.When I got it it had loads of buds all of which bloomed beautifully. Since then nothing.It is growing and the foliage is healthy.


Dont know with this one!


cheers


Michelle

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Reply #4 of 9 posted 4 MAY 06 by Cheryl

Hi Michelle,


If anything I probably over fertilize. Sudden Impact, Seamungus, Maxicrop, Seasol, Thrive, Miracle Gro, Blood & Bone and about 40 bags cow manure every three months. I've got hundreds of roses. Every other one is fine. Even the ones either side of this. It puts out those long healthy canes that other Delabards do and then every now and again tiny squashed looking flowers that are most unattractive. Next to it I have 'Henri Matisse'. That is fine. If I have opinion it maybe that it doesn't like the heat up here. Also water is scarce. We have water restrictions up here too although I manage to do a lot of hand watering. 'Belle' is planted in full sun. Just seems odd to have such a poor flower.


Cheryl

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Reply #5 of 9 posted 4 MAY 06 by Anonymous-101874

Hi Cheryl


Well, it seems a mystery!


Occasionally ,If nothing works, I move a rose to a new position or into a large container full of rich potting mix and give it lots of "TLC"


This has worked for me .


I have then left it in the planter for maybe 2 years, feed and water well.


Other than that I cant think of any other suggestions.


I have included a photo but all I can say is Good Luck!


Cheers


Michelle

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Reply #6 of 9 posted 4 MAY 06 by Cheryl

Michelle,


Thanks for showing me you standard of a 'Belle'. My canes would have been growing 4 or 5 feet in length and laterally not straight up. I'll try moving it.  You might be right about it just being a mystery.


Cheryl

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Reply #7 of 9 posted 4 MAY 06 by Michelle Wilson

Thanks Cheryl


I have a major [problem with "Claire Rose".It, too, sends tall canes (up to fence height) and this year in particular ,I have only had about 2 blooms!I have cut it back but it made no difference.Unlike yours which are shooting laterally mine are sky high!Do you have any advice?Sounds like a similiar problem to your Belle.:))cheers


Michelle

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Reply #8 of 9 posted 4 MAY 06 by Henrique R. Vivián

Dear Michele and Cheryl,


I only add, in my modest opinion, a simple example about treatment of roses.Some parents say that their children are educated the same way , but the results are quite different and dont understand why. For me is the same with roses,not only, so I emphasize the opinion of Michele, when roses dont feel well in the place we put them we must give an alternative way of life, by changing conditions of soil, light, food, water and draught. I have a lot of  bizarre examples in my experience with roses. Sometimes, even the breeders would like to know about that. But the problem ,for me, is that there are few, very few rules. And, Cheryl, I understand your doubt concerning climate. I know that in extreme conditions of weather the results are the same anywhere. But, at least,there are some days good for roses, even in Australia ,I am sure, beause my roses support temperatures between 35 and 40 centigrade degrees, or more, in Summer.


Thank you both for your contribution.


Henrique

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Reply #9 of 9 posted 5 MAY 06 by Cheryl

Michelle,


I am finding good examples of what you describe in some 'Delbard ' roses and some 'Austins'. I am sure that there are many other roses that have the same growth habits.  My 'Henri Matisse' sends up long canes but I love the fragrance and I would put up with just about anything from this rose. I also have a 'Yellow Charles Austin' that wants to grow to the heavens with a few flowers on the end. Logically I think that the roses are meant for much bigger spaces than I have available to grow them in. They probably should be allowed to become quite large and reside somewhere on acreage. But I haven't got acreage so I think I might feed these slightly different than the rest and feed with a fertilizer that has less nitrogen and more of the bloom boosting stuff and see if that helps. I also have another Delbard that is notorious for long canes called 'Citron Fraise'. Perhaps in the case of the Delbards there is something in the breeding line that promotes the long canes. It could also be the same case with some of the 'Austins'. I really don't know. I'll fiddle around with fertilizers for now and see what happens. Significant pruning has only some marginal effect.


Cheryl

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Reply #2 of 9 posted 2 MAY 06 by Henrique R. Vivián

Hi Cheryl,


 


I have been watching my  "Belle du Seigneur" but is lazy, not yet in full bloom. It is the second year of its life , so is not easy for me express a solid opinion about this rose. I can say that while you have a vigorous plant without  well formed blooms I have a little plant with beautifull flowers, not very large.Sometimes, according expert opinions, the excess of nitrogen can induce an extra growing but not extra flowers. May be yes or not the problem of your "Belle..." .And if doesn't like the place? ...Warm climate only can burn exuberant flowers. Thank you for your kind comments, but... you have excellent photos!


Henrique


 


 


 

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Reply #3 of 9 posted 3 MAY 06 by Cheryl

Thank you Henrique for your response.


Cheryl

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Initial post 4 MAY 06 by Anonymous-101874

Hi ,Yes, I had to do the same thing! A rare book dealer found one for me in mint condition.


I dont think that you can buy it any longer it is out of print.


 

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