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Does Belinda's Dream do well in zone 5? I live in Western New York State in Rochester. It's listed for up to zone 6 so I am wondering if it would make it in my area. thank you.
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Has not Rochester with the surrounding area been upgraded to Zone 6, owing to the effect of Lake Ontario?
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21 SEP 15 by
initiate
Yes, I guess it was. I checked a detailed zone map and it looks like we are in a little island of zone 6 in an ocean of zone 5. Lucky me. Will that help with growing B D? I hear it prefers hotter climates.
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I planted this one about 3-4 years ago. I saw it potted at a nursery and was taken by the large flowers and strong fragrance. Sadly, it didn't do much at first. Just an occasional botrytis ridden bloom now and then. This year it seems to have turned a corner. I got a nice crop of well-formed long-stemmed beauties this week! I didn't realize what good form the flowers had until now. I think this could be a really good rose, once it gets established. It's hard to find a nice fragrant yellow hybrid tea. The form is not quite show-rose quality, but still very nice.
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I agree with you 100% Initiate about this Eternal Flame yellow HT rose. I got mine from Regan Nursery last year and it really didn't do much. I was kind of worried I had gotten a dud. However, I planted it into the garden this past April from it's pot and it has started to add very good vigor just all of a sudden just this past six weeks. It is getting taller and bushier and the flowers are increasing in numbers, good form and color, very nice fragrance, etc... I still think it has a way to go getting established as it doesn't look "finished" yet. So, I expect to continue to improve this year and think it will really be nice next year. Just like the old adage: First year they sleep, Second year the creep, Third year they leap!! Happy leaping year in 2011!! Also, you're very right that we need more good, fragrant, pure yellow HT roses. One you might consider is a little grown "Welcome Home" which is a yellow HT I got three years ago. It is a huge and beautiful bush with wonderful pure yellow flowers with very long stems. Flowers are very well formed. It could use more fragrance, but isn't totally scentless. Still a pretty yellow rose. John
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28 JUL 10 by
Jay-Jay
How about "Friesia" and "Duftgold"!?
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Sorry Jay-Jay, I don't know those roses....
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29 JUL 10 by
Jay-Jay
They're both pure yellow fragrant HT's; You asked for more of them in Your reply. For me they're both most rewarding roses, almost constantly blooming. Especially Friesia (or "Sunsprite") is a very bright pure yellow rose with a very good fragrance! You can look them up on HMF under these names. Greetings, Jay-Jay.
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Hi JayJay--glad to hear back from you. I did have Sunsprite for a couple of years. It was vigorous and healthy enough and of course the fragrance is to die for. But, I didn't like the fact that the buds opened super fast and then blew in as little as 24 hours. They blew so fast you didnt' have time to enoy them. So, when the bush was 3 years old it got RRD along with its' neighboring Hot Cocoa rose so both had to be shovel pruned and burned to destroy the pathogen and hopefully help keep it from spreading. I replaced the HOt Cocoa bacause I really like it, but I decided not to get another Sunsprite mainly because of the fast way the blooms got spent. I looked up the photos of the Duftgold and I don't think I would be happy with a bloom that looked like that. It looks like on of the cabbage. I don't mind the ordinary casual form of alot of the flori's, but the cabbage look is definitely not for me. Guess I will keep looking. I think I may try Anthony Meilland as I like those photos. I also like the photos of Julia Child and I actually had one of those and planted it in a 1/2 whiskey barrel and it never seemed to really take off and grow and the bloom was not good I am guessing it just didn't like being in that barrel. Unfortunately, it died this past Spring before I got the chance to transplant it and see if it grew better somewhere else. I still may get another one to try and this time it will get a premium spot in one of my rosebeds so I can see the real Julia Child that everyone is raving about. John
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31 JUL 10 by
Jay-Jay
Friesia/Sunsprite doesn't have a long vase-life but it lasts, over here at my place, a lot longer on the plant than Your 24 hours; maybe 5 days or a week! (But "Ashram" is the rose that lasts for weeks and weeks, even in the hot conditions we had the last month!)
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I am going to be growing the rose as an own root plant. Do you think this rose does well this way, or is it better grafted? I have been told that many roses are more vigorous when they are grafted, but some do well either way.
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I've grown Lemon Spice both ways, and at least in my climate, budded yielded a much more vigorous, productive and longer lived plant. You're correct that some just won't grow own root, while others are such vigorous, vital organisms they'll grow any way you can get them. Originally, roses were primarily offered only own root, so the roses selected for introduction had to root easily and grow well without "artificial roots". As budding became the norm, that ability didn't matter and many were introduced which either won't easily root, or won't grow well own root. That's still an issue today. J&P began offering their New Generation roses a few years ago, and have been increasing the number of varieties available own root. Henry Fonda was one they offered as a New Generation for a while, until they discovered it wasn't very good own root. At least this spring, it went back to being only offered budded. My experience has been that MOST roses will grow own root, but MANY won't be as good as they are budded. If you can't get a budded plant of the one you want to grow, try it own root. You may discover your micro climate or cultivation practices you can alter may allow it to be acceptable in your garden. Of course, as long as it's not a patented variety, you can always learn to bud it yourself. This week, I visited Sequoia Nursery and saw the perfect example of what we're talking about here. Burling Leong, who does the budding and pollinating there, has the old HT Grey Pearl in one of the green houses. There is an own root plant which is a sickly looking, dwarf runt of an example of this rose in a pot. Right beside it is a budded one which is absolutely glorious! The only difference between the two plants is one is budded while the other is own root. It just isn't vigorous enough to be a good plant without the artificial vigor supplied by the root stock. As more and more roses are offered own root, you're going to find fewer introduced which don't root easily and don't produce as well own root. Another example of "the more things change, the more they remain the same". Give Lemon Spice a change. It is one of three introduced in the 1960s created by Armstrong which are beautiful, fragrant flowers. The other two, which have also been favorites of mine for many years are, Sweet Afton (huge, shell like petals in a blush pink with great fragrance) and Touch of Venus, my favorite white Hybrid Tea (elegant, feminine, fragrant white). Arena Roses offered budded plants of Lemon Spice and Sweet Afton for a few years when they produced roses. Unfortunately, they don't generate new plants any longer, but you may be lucky enough to find budded plants of these two still around in some nurseries. Good luck!
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Hi Kim, Were you saying that Touch of Venus is a weak own root too, or just that it's a fragrant 60s J&P rose. As it wins your prize as Favorite white HT, I'd like to order it own root if it does well that way, but I already have too many "science projects" if it's weak unbudded. I once had a Sweet Afton ( that I think I bought in the early 90s from you @ the Huntington sale!) that did pretty well own root in LA. PS What's your favorite fragrant pink single that is available to buy? Thanks.
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Tim..........
I am not Kim, but for a pink single, I would highly recommend his rose 'Lynnie'. I have grown it in two climates and it is a bloomin' fool and has been disease free.
Lyn
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Hi Tim, I've found Touch of Venus to be fine own root. It's more of a "modern, traditional" HT than Lemon Spice, which is more old Tea in character, IMHO. Fragrant, single, pink? Lyn made a good suggestion. Lynnie isn't extremely fragrant, but it does have scent; it blooms like the proverbial weed; has great disease resistance; is very cold and heat resistant; roots easily and grows perfectly own root. It may or may not be the right color pink for you, and it can range from nearly red in cold weather to a hot, vibrant "Peter Maxx", dayglo poster paint pink in heat. You could do a whole lot worse! Good hearing from you and I'm glad you enjoyed Sweet Afton. I love David Armstrong's mid sixties HTs, Lemon Spice, Sweet Afton and Touch of Venus. They just "speak" to me.
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Any "dayglo" pink single is definitely for me. To be honest I already had found it in Euro-Desert and have been working on ordering it. Love it in the pictures.
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Great! Thank you! Anything we can do to keep our specialty nurseries going until things improve! If you want to try your hand at breeding, consider Lynnie. I have some interesting seedlings blooming from her with odd things like Cineraire, Mutabilis, Memorial Day and Sunny Today. She's a pretty darned good rose, even if I do say so myself. Thanks!
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Everyone says this rose has a great smell, but mine has none! I have had it for over 7 years now. Is there something I can do to help it along? I think it may have mosaic virus, but it is very healthy and has beautiful flowers.
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