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Initial post 22 NOV 06 by Ron's Roses
this realy dosen't look like pat austin to me, wrong color, to many petels
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Reply #1 of 10 posted 22 NOV 06 by Cliff
I can assure you that it is most definitely Pat Austin, and one of the reasons I posted the photo was to show the color variation.  If you look my other photos of Pat Austin on this site, you'll see the color you're used to.  And if you look at all of the photos of Pat Austin on this site, you'll see at least one other with almost the exact same coloring. 
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Reply #2 of 10 posted 23 NOV 06 by Unregistered Guest
Thanks for your reply, I have had a Pat Austin in my garden for four years and I am surprised to see one so different from what I am used to seeing.
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Reply #4 of 10 posted 2 DEC 06 by Cliff
Ron,

I can understand why you felt as you did.  Living in the desert, with its very hot, dry climate, I've grown to realize that the differences in color, petal count, size of bloom (almost everything!) can vary so dramatically that it's almost impossible to recognize some roses at certain times during the year.  As hard as it may be to believe (for you and for me!), hybrid tea blooms that most often have an abundance of petals can appear looking like singles in our desert summer.  And a bloom that can be six inches across in cooler months can appear smaller than a miniflora bloom during the hot months.  It's pretty amazing!

Cliff
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Reply #3 of 10 posted 1 DEC 06 by Cheryl

Certainly looks like my 'Pat Austin' particularly after a hot spell. I only see the more typical colour in cooler weather. Great shot.


 


Cheryl

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Reply #5 of 10 posted 2 DEC 06 by Cliff
Thanks for chiming in here, Cheryl.  I know that you live in an area that can also have hot, dry periods not unlike what we see in the California low desert.  Having recently moved to the high desert, with real winters and summers that are far less intense than down below, it's going to be interesting to see how my roses react to this new environment.  Perhaps I should qualify the "real winters" comment by saying that we had a wind chill factor of 22 F (minus 5 C) last night.  We certainly don't have anywhere near the cold found in many parts of the world, but compared to the low desert, that's chilly!

Cliff
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Reply #6 of 10 posted 2 DEC 06 by Cheryl

Cliff,


One of things that I find so exciting about the concept of HMF and other good Rose Forums is the capacity to see how a given rose performs around the globe. To be able to see how roses vary from climate to climate and how different styles of growing can effect the finished product so to speak. And also over a period of time to work out whether you in fact have the right rose. Prior to internet technology and the digital age of photography we were all for want of a better phrase stumbling in the dark presuming that what we saw in our garden was all that there was to see. A niave view of course. What I have learnt is that a rose has a thousand or more 'faces'. And that I may without modern technology only see a hundred or so of them. What I also find exciting is that we can have these discussions world wide that further expand our information  and knowkledge bank on roses. The rose 'Marilyn Monroe'  often looks vastly different in Australia to what I see going thru the US shows. And similarly 'Ophelia' here looks completely different but if I go further south in my Country it begins to look more like everyone elses. I suppose this is why we need to give our support to HMF so that this worldwide knowledge base can grow with discussions like this.


Cheryl

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Reply #7 of 10 posted 2 DEC 06 by Cliff
I couldn't agree more, Cheryl!  In fact, I often tell anyone who will listen that if we didn't have the internet when I started to grow roses, there's no way that I could have climbed the learning curve as quickly as I have.  In fact, I'd still be running to libraries looking for reference material that in most cases didn't exist!  We're fortunate indeed to grow roses in the elecrtonic era, and particularly fortunate to have HMF as the outstanding resource that it is.  I firmly believe that those of us who benefit from HMF also have a responsibility to contribute to this incredible repository of global information.  It can only be as good as the input that we all give back.

Cliff
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Reply #8 of 10 posted 27 FEB 07 by Nicole Piehl
Great discussion! Cliff, first I want to let you know how much I admire your photos - you have a wonderful eye! Thank you for sharing them with the HMF community. Second, in the discussion above you mentioned that you recently moved and that it would "be interesting to see how my roses react to this new environment". Does this mean that you transplanted your roses from your old garden to your new one? If so, do you have any transplanting tips? Thanks!
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Reply #9 of 10 posted 27 FEB 07 by Cliff
Thanks for your kind comments, Nicole. Yes, all 5,000 roses and seedlings were moved up here. The last of them were moved just this past week and it took six and a half months from start to finish. However, only about 20% of these were planted in the ground. The others were in pots ranging in size from quite small to 25-gallons, with the great majority in 15 and 20 gallon pots. Those in the ground were dug up and put into 15 and 20 gallon pots and then moved. Some were dug up in August when the temperature in Palm Springs was higher than 115 degrees F. And some were moved in January and February when they had to immediately deal with below freezing temperatures at night here in the high desert. Some were on fortuniana rootstock and these were done differently from the others. There were so many variables that it would be hard to generalize. I do, however, intend to write an article about the entire experience at some point -- if and when I find time to breathe. If I had to list what I feel were some of the key factors in the overall success of the move (we lost a few dozen plants due to shock, but I consider that minor when you consider the number of plants moved and the wide range of conditions that existed at the times the various roses were moved), they would be:

• Putting the plants into large pots and taking as much of rootball and surrounding soil as possible. The newly potted roses were kept well watered during the early period after transplanting.

• Those roses sprayed with Wilt-Pruf at the time they were dug up fared far better than those that weren't. The winds here in the high desert can be extremely damaging in terms of drying out the canes.

• We immediately moved the newly potted roses into a shaded area, and when brought up here they were put under shade cloth during the recovery period

Cliff
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Reply #10 of 10 posted 27 FEB 07 by Nicole Piehl
Wow - what a process!!!! Thank you so much for responding, and thank you for the tips! Thank goodness I am only planning on transplanting a few roses from one spot in my garden where there is too much shade to another, sunnier spot in the same garden. Kudos to you for such a great move!
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Initial post 23 DEC 06 by Ron's Roses
this rose has been entered twice
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Initial post 23 DEC 06 by Ron's Roses
this rose has been entered twice
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