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I know next to nothing about paeony breeders so I'm not disputing what you write about Casoretti fils. I would however like to know the sources for your attributions. As regards the garden in Desion where Casoretti pere worked, I can tell you that its 1856 inventory includes the following paeonies: Cristina, Zoruma, Rinzi, Carolinne, Londonii, Trionfo di Milano, Emiglia, Casoretti, Van Houttei, Etoile Polaire, Cobianchi, Elisabetta, Ardegiana, Attlete. (I give the names exactly as they appear in the manuscript.)
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#1 of 8 posted
9 FEB 19 by
 jedmar
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The listing is based on James Boyd's 1928 book "Peonies. The Manual of the American Peony Society". For some of the peonies attributed to Casoretti there we have found 19th century references stating the same, or they appear in groups of peonies "from Italy" where some of the group are from Casoretti. I have only doubts about 'Kenny'. That seems an American name.
The 1856 inventory of Desio you mention is very interesting. They can most probably all be attributed to Casoretti. Can you post the page where the names are listed? What is the name of the document so we can add it to the Puiblications?
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My question regarding attribution refered to the attributions to the Young Casoretti. I am confident from the references in Manetti and Perpenti's writings that Casoretti senior bred paeonies. Incidentally the birth date for the son, while not impossible, is certainly curious - only fifteen years younger than the father!
As for Kenny.my guess is that it should be Kennedy. You will remember that Casoretti bred two roses named for the wards of "Lord Compton" - La Bella Giuditta and Sarah. These girls used the name Kennedy as their surname.
Regarding the inventory, the paeony names are as I have given them. I am hoping soon to publish the entire inventory along with three previous ones for the same garden. These inventories were never published in their day: the two principal ones were attempts to estimate the value of the property when it changed hands.
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#3 of 8 posted
9 FEB 19 by
jedmar
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THe attribution to Casoretti fils is solely due to the dates 1842-1867 for these peonies. They seem to have been mostly introduced after the death of Casoretti senior.
Re Kenny: In the listing of Perpenti on the plants bred by Casoretti Senior in Monza there is also a Verbena Kenny.
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That's an interesting point. With regard to dates: if I'm not mistaken, these all refer to the Paillet catalogue. Did Coit look at Italian catalgues?
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#5 of 8 posted
10 FEB 19 by
jedmar
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I don't know, but I doubt it. I think he had Paillet's and Dessert's catalogues only.
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#6 of 8 posted
10 FEB 19 by
jedmar
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Kenny is probably William Stopford Kenny (1788-1867), English schoolmaster and Compiler of educational works. He published an "Kenny's Italian Word-Book" (1853 or earlier), "The Improved Italian Word-Book (1854), "The Improved Italian Phrase-Book" (1854) among others.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kenny,_William_Stopford_(DNB00)
These books are also listed in "Catalogue of new Catholic works", p. 102. Published 1850 according to Google, but there is no date in the book.
https://books.google.ch/books?id=aotaAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA102&dq=Kenny's+The+improved+italian+wordbook&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji0O6x6bDgAhUI1BoKHfAdC1EQ6AEIMjAB#v=onepage&q=Kenny's%20The%20improved%20italian%20wordbook&f=false
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Let me return to the matter of Giovanni Casoretti's son. The Hof- und Staatshandbuch gives the name as Luigi not Giovanni. This is certainly right since in his 1847 letter to Casoretti's widow, demanding that she vacate the family home so that the new gardener can take up residence, Casoretti's employer, Traversi, specifically mentions two of Casoretti's children who had obtained their majority (I imagine this means they were over 16, rather than 21, but I could be wrong) - the eldest an accountant called Attilio was living in Desio and the younger, Luigi, was living in Milan. Incidentally, the letter also refers to another six children that couple - Giovanni Casoretti and Carolina Leonardi - had who survived to that point, the two above-mentioned plus Ercole, Carlo, Mariana, Gio' Battista, Antonio and Angiola.
As to the son's birth date, I pointed out that it would be strange if he was only 15 years his father's junior. Given that he was GC's second son, it would mean that the first was only max. 14 years his father's junior.
Since Luigi's profession is not given in Traversi's, I would guess that he was still in his teens, which would mean that the birth date was probably around 1828.
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#8 of 8 posted
15 FEB 19 by
jedmar
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You are correct, there is no indication that the son was also named Giovanni. The name and the years are apparently from "Peonies", the 1928 Manual of the American Peony Society, also listed in Carsten Burkhardt's Peony Website:
http://www.paeo.de/navigation/bree_c1.html
If the mar was incorrect in that publication, are the years of life also incorrect?
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