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'Rosa bracteata X' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 110-523
most recent 23 FEB 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 MAY 18 by JasonSims1984
Does anyone have this rose available in the states? Has anyone else attempted this kind of cross?

I think Therese Bugnet x Muriel or something to that effect could be a really interesting territory for creating good thornless reblooming bracteata/rugosa/species types.

Or Pink Surprise x Therese Bugnet could really double down on the rugosa genetics, and carry bracteata lineage while still being thornless and reblooming. A lot of seeds would have to be grown to get the right outcome.

Is Pearl Drift really a Mermaid descendant? That could be another inlet for bracteata genes.

I love the concept of taking all of the naturally remontant species and crossing them at nearly pure strength to create a new rose class that combines the natural vigor of species and introduces new remontancy genetics.

Some of the better remontant species:
Chinensis
Rugosa
Bracteata
Clinophylla
Wichuriana
Fedtschenkoana
Moschata
Beggeriana

Some of these crosses exist. Kordesii is wichuriana x rugosa.
Damascena is (gallica x moschata) x fedtschenkoana
Rugosa x chinensis exists, but their remontancies don't match up very well. For some reason, Hybrid Perpetuals or Hybrid Tea crosses seem to work though.
Rugosa x bracteata exists. They seem to be good at repeating but not necessarily abundantly blooming.
It will probably take good selection of parents and careful planning to cross these hybrids at the correct ratios.

I think a lot of great things would come from crossing the oldest healthy lines of roses back to exotic species, then crossing with a modern HT.

(Portlandica x rugosa) x HT
(Damascena x Kordesii) x HT
(Hybrid Perpetual x bracteata) X HT

As usual, I have rambled my way off the page!
Anyway, if anyone is actively working on these kinds of crosses, let me know. I am even better at reading than writing, and that's saying a lot!
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 22 FEB 21 by Plazbo
I have Frau Dagmar Hastrup x Bracteata seedlings at the moment, about a year old. While the pics by Robert of this rose seem low thorn my seedlings seem to be mostly like bracteata with foilage half way between the parents and lot more thorns. Just hoping the lower size of Dagmar wins out in some of them as that would be an improvement over bracteata.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 22 FEB 21 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Sorry, this rose has vicious prickles and bristles. It's dauntingly vigorous.

I managed some hips using the pollen a few seasons ago but rodents got to them.

It blooms a bit late here and at the top of of tall canes.

It's not easy to use.

I don't know if Tom got anything out of it or not.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 23 FEB 21 by Plazbo
That's a bit of a relief, that my results aren't just worst case scenario. Something to run through smooth rugosa hybrids when mature either way.

Tom mentions on his blog that he had OP from one of the four bracteata x (rugosa x palustris)

maprc.blogspot.com/2013/06/rosa-bracteata-x-rugosa-x-palustris.html

post of the first flowering OP seedling

maprc.blogspot.com/2013/06/rosa-palustris-and-first-f2-to-bloom.html
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