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Brooks Horticultural Center Rose Garden
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I am looking for Amélie Gravereaux rose. If anyone knows of a source I would appreciate it.
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According to HMF this rose is available from Hortico, ON, Canada but I suspect that this is out of date. Brooks Alberta Heritage Rose Garden is not as active as it was in 2010 due to government cutbacks. This rose does exist in France and New Zealand, but it is very difficult to import plants now. I would suggest that you contact the American photographers of this rose on HMF, or heritage rose groups in the USA.
Crenagh Elliott
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Dear Brooks Horticultural Center Rose Garden,
Would you ever be willing to share cuttings or suckers of any of the roses grown there? I'm particularly interested in Skinner's Burnette for hobby breeding purposes.
Thanks!
Tony
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Thanks Margit! That was going to be my next move. Maybe they can direct me to someone in the US who is growing it.
Tony
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Hi Tony
I did a bit of quick research and here is what I found. Part 1
In Dr. Skinner’s book, Horticultural Horizons he wrote:
“Rosa altaica gave me no hybrids worth looking at until I crossed it with the double white Rosa spinossisima, known as the Burnett rose”. This cross resulted in the variety “Isa Murdock,” a very free-flowering and fragrant variety that has a longer flowering period than either parent. This rose has white double flowers, as a rule, but in some seasons many of the flowers are edged and faintly tinged with pink. Here again, I found that by crossing two species together and then crossing the hybrid with some garden rose the result was a rose more like the garden rose parent.”… P101
“Beauty of Dropmore (plate 14, page 76) was obtained from a cross between Rosa altaica and the double white form of R. spinossisima known as the Burnett Rose. It is a hardy shrub rose growing to six feet in height with good foliage and handsome pure white fragrant flowers some of which are of almost hybrid tea form. P. 102
In Krussman’s The Complete Book of Roses p. 67
“Rosa pimpinellifolia L. (= R. spinosissima). In the literature on the subject, garden forms derived from this are known as spinosissima hybrids, often called ‘Scotch Roses’ in England. The older cultivars were also known as ‘Burnet Roses’ (“burnet” being the English word for Pimpinella). It is believed that this rose was in existence in Europe prior to 1600 since it is referred to in the Herbals of Dodonaeus and Gerard. The area in which it grows covers a large part of Europe and Central Asia …”
With the spin type roses being given multiple names such as Scotch Rose, Burnett Rose, Burnet rose, Scottish Briar, Rosa pimpinellifolia, and Rosa spinossisima, it is easy to mix up the many double white spins available today.
On the Canadian prairie including the Morden Experimental Farm, “Skinner’s Burnette” was called “the” Burnett rose not “a” Burnett rose.
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The following HMF link takes you to “Rosa x pimpinellifolia ‘Double White”
www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.17481.8&tab=1
Burnet Double White
Double Scotch White
Double White (hybrid spinosissima)
Double White Burnet
Double White Scotch
Elegans
Rosa spinosissima ‘Double White’
White Spinosissima
“White. Strong fragrance. Average diameter 1.5". Small to medium, semi-double (9-16 petals), borne mostly solitary, in small clusters, cupped bloom form. Once-blooming spring or summer.
Bushy, suckers on its own roots.
Height of 3' to 7' (90 to 215 cm). Width of 3' (90 cm).
USDA zone 3b and warmer. Hardy. Disease susceptibility: very disease resistant.”
To my eyes, the photos appear to be the same rose as “Skinner’s Burnette”. And a few nurseries listed are selling it. However, I’d be very cautious when ordering as you could receive almost any white spin.
The good news is: HMF member celestialrose has posted photos and she resides in the United States. You might try contacting her.
Hope this helps.
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