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Fürst Bismarck  rose photo courtesy of member 16-Eichen-Rosenschätze
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Initial post 29 JUL 15 by kai-eric
beautiful but almost not 'fürst bismarck' which is said to be golden yellow.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 30 JUL 15 by Charles Quest-Ritson
I suspect that all the plants of this cultivar now in existence trace back to the plants at Europa-Rosarium, Sangerhausen. The colouring of the individual flowers is very variable, but I have no reason to doubt that both pictures uploaded to HMF are correctly named. We tend to describe colours rather loosely, and the roses that are marked as 'golden yellow' are often rather more yellow than golden. The colour of 'Fürst Bismarck' is very similar to that of 'Gloire de Dijon', and just as variable. Incidentally, I believe that 'Fürst Bismarck' is a selfed seedling of 'Gloire de Dijon' (there is a record of it being crossed with 'Comtesse d'Oxford') and not, as some German authorities (e.g. Jäger) maintain, either a sport of 'Gloire de Dijon' or a synonym for 'Belle Lyonnaise'.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 30 JUL 15 by kai-eric
thank you much for your gentle estimation!
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 25 MAY 20 by Patricia Routley
Charles, I note ‘Furstin Bismarck’ the pink 1888 rose was (Gloire de Dijon x Comtesse d’Oxford)
I feel that ‘Furst Bismarck’ the yellow(-ish)1888 rose, coming from the same breeder in the same year, was also of that same parentage. I agree that it is less likely that it was a sport.
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