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25 OCT 11 by
 jedmar
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Is there a difference to 'Mme Hardy'? I believe it is the same rose in commerce.
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When I tried to identify the white OGR I had in my front yard, I couldn't decide if it was Mme Hardy or Plantier. I had posted photos of it on another site for discussion, and a couple of members helped me determine that it was Madame Hardy. I know one of the ladies in the discussion was Connie from Hartwood roses--she has tons of OGR's. I believe the differences are in the aroma, number of thorns, and appearance of the sepals. Hopefully someone with more experience can chime in.
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I am not quite sure exactly what rose you are looking at, but in Western Australia 'Mme. Plantier' is thornless, and 'Mme. Hardy' has thorns.
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In the sale both sorts are possibly exchanged. François Joyaux ("Nouvelle Encyclopédie des Roses Anciennes", German: "Enzyklopädie der Alten Rosen") sees the difference also in the number of thorns, as here specified: ´Hardy´ "numerous thorns" ("zahlreiche Stacheln"), ´Plantier´ "hardly thorns" ("kaum Stacheln").
The difference regarding the height: ´Plantier´ grows therefore more strongly. (However both grow strongly).
Both indicate a green eye. (in a forum (forum.planten.de/index.php?topic=24512.0) ´Plantier´ without this eye was described. Probably one of the many mistaking).
The difference regarding the sepals: ´Hardy´ long, ´Plantier´ smaller.
The difference regarding the blooms, the bloom colors: ´Hardy´ pearly-white, ´Plantier´ (also) palely milk-white (as shadows).
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