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Alfred de Dalmas  rose photo courtesy of member Dagmar
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most recent 8 JUN 10 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 2 JUN 10 by jedmar
This is 'Mousseline'. 'Alfred de Dalmas' as synonym is incorrect.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 2 JUN 10 by HMF Admin
Jedmar,

Most of the references link the two names - are you suggesting they're all incorrect ?
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 3 JUN 10 by Dagmar
Hello,
just looked it up in the Encyclopedia of Roses (Royal Horticultiral Society, UK). They list this rose under "Alfred de Dalmas" and state as synonyme "Mousseline". So, I think both names are used for the same species.

Best regards
Dagmar
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 8 JUN 10 by jedmar
Yes, the problem exists in new literature where everybody copies from each other.

If you check the references for 'Alfred de Dalmas' and 'Mousseline' you will see that the earliest reference which states them as synonyms is from 1959. There is no synonym mentioned in the period 1881-1958. For me, this means that they are NOT synonyms. What probably happened is that after World War II the same rose was identified as AdD by some and as Mousseline by others; Richard Thomson got both under different names and decided they are the same; everybody else copied his statement.

When one reads the 19th century and the pre WWII descriptions of both roses, one comes to the conclusion that the rose currently in commerce under both names is 'Mousseline'. 'Alfred de Dalmas' does not exist anywhere.
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