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'Mainzer Fastnacht' rose Reviews & Comments
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Mine, from Palatine, grafted onto multiflora, has been crown hardy in zone 5 for about 8-9 years now. I give this one space for the one or two impossibly beautiful blooms it gives each year. Puny grower and BS magnet, but when I see those one or two perfect blooms, all is forgiven.
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Sounds like the mauve version of Dolly Parton.
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That is surprising. Given the parents, 'Fragrant Cloud' x 'Oklahoma', one would expect some vigor from Dolly. Gorgeous color in the photos; I would probably give her space just for the color.
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Inttoduced by the Wheatcroft Brothers in 1964.
NRS Annual 1964 p177
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I actually hate this rose. Yeah, not a particularly helpful review. Beyond blackspot, there is the really "cold" color. I hate it in the landscape.
With that said, and going through the photos of this very popular rose, I noticed that there is a lot of mis-matched foliage. In other words, it is possible that cultivars that are sold as 'Blue Moon' could be other mauve roses. Interestingly enough, some of those that seem to not match in flowers, sometimes lack that cold, harsh mauve tone of 'Blue Girl'.
Something to watch for when buying 'Blue Moon' and other similar mauve roses.
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#1 of 7 posted
31 OCT 15 by
 sutekesh
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Personally, I love the colour. Suppose tastes differ - everyone entitled to their own opinion. Blackspot also hasn't been a problem for me on this rose.
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#2 of 7 posted
31 OCT 15 by
Jay-Jay
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I still don't know, if I really like or dislike this rose. And for sure it is no landscaping rose at all! It belongs in a cultivated garden. As for vigour and disease-resistance: The first year it grew and flowered above expectations. But after a bad winter it came back as a weak and diseased plant with foliage-issues.
Almost no flowers and year after year it declined instead of recovered.
This year just one flower. I will not be surprised, if it disappears/dies next season.
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Sorry, I meant landscape in more general terms. As in, when you're scanning a yard, garden, etc. I used it because the color, for me, interrupts the general scheme of things. But as sutekesh pointed out, its a very subjective reaction. Some people HATE 'Honey Dijon'. I'm neutral about it. Its an interesting take on russet, because it has a gold tint to it, but it's not speaking to me either. And some people LOVE it. Personally, I like russets like 'Tom Brown', but they all have "meh" plants. The reverse on it is so cool and kind of old world romantic rustic feeling.
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#4 of 7 posted
1 NOV 15 by
Jay-Jay
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I understand about the general terms. It is not a "natural" colour... but like all the H.T's in our garden, the plant is not meant to be beautiful, but to produce rose-flowers for on the vase. I cultivate them, like I would do with vegetables.
And as for the russets: Did You take a look at Rhosyn Margaret Williams?
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YES! It has been on my "want list" for some time now.
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#6 of 7 posted
1 NOV 15 by
Jay-Jay
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That rose is worthwhile to look out for and forward to too!
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I did manage to get and grow out Ann Henderson. Pretty much same color and form but small and in clusters. I'm pretty sure its from Belle Epoque... and some flori. I considered Belle Epoque x Singin in the Rain as possible. I grew out Halle since the same time, as well, and I am also pretty sure its from Belle Epoque, but taller and less petals (don't recommend it). Ann Henderson is a keeper though. I doubt Rosalyn will ever come to North America, but thats okay. We still have Remember Me here.
As for mauves, I still have Neptune. It has some drawbacks, but the foliage is pretty and the flowers are amazing. Some are the size of my handspan, and I'm 6'3". I dont think a new universally accepted mauve HT will be introduced for awhile, especially since the buying public seem to love dark purple over the silvery types now. Kordes has introduced some here recently and they're kind of ... flatline, plastic-looking. Boring. I think the silvery types come with the expectation of fragrance and some flair.
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Would anyone who has roses with different fragrances, care to describe the blue moon fragrance? (e.g. for many other roses I see fruity, citrusy, lemony, tea, damask, sweet, old rose and so forth), but for blue moon, HMF merely says 'strong, opinions vary' - I'd love to hear more detail on the blue moon fragrance, if anyone can. Thank you
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I can't wait to hear your answers! I should have some Blue Moon arriving soon and if the fragrance is anything like Twice in a Blue Moon, then I will be thrilled. I find it hard to describe that one though, because it is different from the others to my nose, simply lovely wafting in the vase. Not tea, not damask, not lemon, not old rose to me.
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#2 of 7 posted
3 OCT 18 by
Plazbo
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Curious as well. Trying to find a pale mauve/silver/grey (aka as "blue" as possible) with decent health, available in australia and not being citrusy scented seems a task too hard at the moment.
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I have grown 'Blue Moon', 'Blue Moon climbing' and 'Twice in a Blue Moon'. 'Blue Moon climbing' gives one good display but it only ever flowered once for me. IMO 'Twice in a Blue Moon' is a better plant than 'Blue Moon', it repeats better and has slightly bigger flowers. To my nose they all have a wonderful strong Damask fragrance but with fresher citrus notes as well, unfortunately they won't grow well in my climate and I have given-up trying to make them happy. For blueness I grow 'Reine des Violettes', 'Bleu Magenta' and 'Baby Faurax'.
I can remember my grandmother growing 'Blue Moon' in the early '70s when it was new on the market and I was small enough to be dwarfed by a Hybrid-Tea. Everyone agreed it had strong perfume but I couldn't understand why the adults were so excited about it being "blue", the emperor's new clothes.
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#4 of 7 posted
3 OCT 18 by
Plazbo
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I agree that calling them blue is stretching it but it's what people call them. 'Twice in a Blue Moon' isn't here in Australia otherwise I'd be looking at it more closely.
I have Baby Faurax it's more purple than I'm looking for. Gra's Blue (also have) has a colour that's along the lines I'm looking at (it just has a strong citrus scent). Was looking at Moon Shadow but not available. It's a lot of citrus or obvious health issues.
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In my southern Z8, sandy soil, own-root Blue Moon hasn't compared favorably at all with Twice in a Blue Moon. Not in vigor, fragrance, wafting ability, bloom size, number of blooms, or frequency of blooming. One criticism of "Twice" could be how large the bushes get, requiring several prunings during growing season to keep the size down but the trade-off was seven inch blooms before the excessive heat set in.
Blue Moon has a pleasant fragrance though, and surely it will get stronger as they get older. I'm comparing their performances to each other though at the same age.
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#6 of 7 posted
1 DEC 18 by
Plazbo
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I'd say it's sweet and citrusy...but not in the strong lemony way a lot of mauves/lavendars are.
I think the opinions vary part may be due to the flowers not being consistently fragrant. While my plant is new, it's had a few spikes, some flowers have been more fragrant than others.
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It reminds me of that slightly grapefruity smell that Magnolia grandiflora has.
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