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'Firefly' rose Reviews & Comments
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I believe the 1912 date of discovery or introduction of Rossi's 'Firefly' is incorrect. B.V. Rossi first offered the parent plant 'Rosomane Narcisse Thomas' in 1911, singing its praises in his 1912 catalogue. Firefly is not offered or mentioned in the 1912 Rossi catalogue, as one would expect if it had been introduced by Rossi in 1912; nor does it appear in any of the other pre 1930 Rossi catalogues we have had the chance to check. As noted in the reference from the Journal of Heritage Roses in Australia Vol 22, No 3 p10, the date of discovery or introduction appears to be 1933.
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Yes. The 1912 date quoted in Australian Roses seems to be an error. The date of ‘Firefly’ has been changed from 1912 to 1933.
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#2 of 4 posted
25 AUG 19 by
HubertG
I believe I've managed to shed some light on the confusion of the dates surrounding 'Firefly'. In the 1936 'Herald' newspaper article Mr. Rossi himself explains that he had been trying to obtain a fixed sport for "more than 20 years". The streaked sport didn't often come true and he said it was only "a couple of years ago the variety was fixed". He exhibited 'Firefly' for the first time in 1936. He mentions that he did not intend to commercialise it in Australia until deals were finalised in the US. So it would seem to me that 1912 is the likely date of the first appearance of the sport on 'Rosomane Narcisse Thomas', but 1933 seems to be about when he successfully fixed the sport. Perhaps it was never properly introduced in Australia. I've checked the online records of the Hill Floral Co, but they only go up until the early 1930s, so I can't shed any light on its appearance in America.
Also, I seem to remember seeing a photo of this rose years ago in perhaps one of the heritage rose journals. If I remember correctly it was a bit thin and shaggy. I don't know if anyone might be able to find this and possibly upload a photo.
Edited to add: There are in fact newspaper articles from 1933 when he exhibited 'Firefly' for the first time at the Malvern Rose Show. I'll add these references soon.
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HubertG. I have never seen an illustration of Rossi's 'Firefly'. The only photo I can find mention of is the one in the 1999. p24 reference wherein Rose Marsh sent Peter Cox a photo of what she believed was 'Firefly'. The cuttings she sent me of this plant in 2000 turned out to be 'Sutter's Gold'.
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26 AUG 19 by
HubertG
Patricia, I found the photo that I remembered seeing. It's on page 27 of the 'Journal of Heritage Roses in Australia Inc" for Spring 2006 (vol. 28, no. 3). It is labelled 'Firefly' and the photograph is indeed attributed to Rose Marsh.
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Re the 1999 reference for 'Firefly (tea, Rossi, 1912), Rose Marsh posted me cuttings of ‘Firefly’ from her neighbour’s garden in 2000. This bush in my garden appears to be ‘Sutter’s Gold’. It may have been possibly that Rose’s neighbour was growing the 1939 Kordes, or the 1975 Joliffe ‘Firefly’, and not Rossi’s sport of ‘Rosemane Narcisse Thomas’ which he named ‘Firefly’.
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