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'Rosa pinetorum A.Heller' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 54-031
most recent 3 APR 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 MAY 11 by Cass
I purchased an entirely different rose labeled Rosa pinetorum from the Grown Natives Nursery in Westwood, California. The nursery is affiliated with Santa Ana Botanical Garden.This version conforms to Barbara Ertter's description found here:
http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/ina/roses/rosa_pinetorum.html

Tiny buds have a form similar to Rosa gymnocarpa. The blooms are very small, deep pink to rose red, and nicely scented. Armature varies: at the base, basal canes bear many straight prickles. The blooms are carried on stems with far fewer prickles. The blooms range in size from a nickel to a Euro. The growth habit is low, arching.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 11 JAN 15 by styrax
Is this clone scented? Which one (if you have both) is the martyr?

"Rosa pinetorum A. A. Heller.(1904) A Ground Rose, probably section Cinnamomeae. Solitary
plants. Recent taxonomy by Barbara Ertter geographically restricts the species to the Monterey
Peninsula. Seems to be confused with both R. spithamea and R. bridgesii in the literature.
Distribution maps are largely unreliable because of that confusion. Scented foliage. Endangered.
Specimens sold by two different botanic gardens could not possibly be the same species. One is
bolt upright to three feet, with numerous straight prickles at the base, thinning higher on the cane
to one or two infrastipular prickles. Leaflets are glandular, narrow and pointed. The other is a
procumbent shrub with delicate, thin leaves with rounded tips, sparsely armed with straight
prickles, and a martyr to powdery mildew. Tetraploid."

http://rosebreeders.org/California%20Species%20Roses.pdf
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 12 JAN 15 by Tessie
I bought mine at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden. It is sold as R. pinetorum 'Beatrice Howitt'. I planted it in a partially shaded spot, and it has not mildewed at all. Leaves are clean here. As to scent, I can't recall. Seeing this reference regarding scented foliage, I will check.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 12 JAN 15 by styrax
If it is scented I will buy it, it is then the type form I am looking for, I think. The mildew clone is I hope not the one(s) in commerce.

Ugh. I just looked into this taxonomy muddle and I am already a little confused lol.
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 25 MAY 15 by styrax
Is the foliage scented?
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 28 MAY 15 by Cass
No, and over time, the foliage has become pretty terrible. Not mildew, some kind of leaf spot. It is a lovely bloomer, however, with those bright pink, scented blooms. I haven't seen repeat, however. It is not a suckering rose.
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 28 MAY 15 by styrax
So it is the former clone. Better that then PM, I guess :/

If you have enough plant material, and if you are willing, could you try to root some? I am curious to see how it will do in this climate. (I think I may have sent you a PM in the past, but I would have to check...) There are no sources for this rose where I live.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 28 MAY 15 by Cass
I'll see what I can do. It isn't particularly vigorous, likes water in a drought year, and has terrible foliage. I don't see the attraction other than to a collector of species.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 28 MAY 15 by styrax
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 3 APR 16 by Tessie
Sorry for the long delay in getting back to this. The foliage on R. pinetorum 'Beatrice Howitt' is scented, if I lightly brush the leaves with my fingers. The scent is strong and spicy. Flowers are moderately fragrant too (sweet). The foliage has remained clean in my garden. I have it planted in partial shade.
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Discussion id : 90-952
most recent 16 FEB 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 FEB 16 by CybeRose
Muhlenbergia: A Journal of Botany, 1(4): 53-54 (Feb 22, 1904)
A. A. Heller
Rosa pinetorum

Stems slender, clustered, erect, sparingly branched, 6-8dm. high, usually densely prickly below, the prickles very slender, rather weak, straight, about 5mm. long, with scarcely dilated base, or with occasional stouter ones 1cm. long with enlarged base, these large ones principally upon young shoots: leaves glandless, somewhat coriaceous, either elliptical-ovate or almost orbicular, the larger nearly 3cm. long, over 2cm. wide, sharply serrate except at the rounded or truncate base, the lower serratures usually gland tipped; or the smaller leaves with somewhat cuneate base, deep green and glabrous above, beneath paler and somewhat pubescent, especially on the veins, of which the midvein only is prominent but not pale; rachis prickly and somewhat glandular, the glands stalked stipules entire, acute, usually glandular on the margin: flowers commonly solitary, sometimes two or three in a corymb: calyx lobes about 2cm. long, lanceolate, sometimes broadly so, the margins densely ciliate with white woolly hairs, either glandular or smooth: the slender tip commonly enlarged and foliaceous: corollas deep rose-purple, about 4cm. across, the petals somewhat notched: ovary globose, smooth and glabrous.

No. 6817, collected in sandy pine woods about Pacific Grove, Monterey county, California, June 3, 1903. This species is perhaps more related to the southern R. gratissima Greene, than it is to R. Californica.

Here is also referred a form collected in damp grassy places in the woods back of Pacific Grove, which has an irregularly crenate-serrate, more uniformly rounded leaf with prominent pale veins, the calyx lobes with larger foliaceous tips, which are somewhat serrate. It is lower in stature and more branched. Although quite a marked form, it is for the present included under R. pinetorum.
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Discussion id : 45-855
most recent 14 JUN 10 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 14 JUN 10 by Cass
Las Pilitas Nursery sells a rose as Rosa pinetorum, describing its provenance as the Sierra Nevada. This may be Rosa bridgesii, as the morphology seems to generally match the description given by Ertter for both roses.

Leaves have 7-9 leaflets, glandular beneath, 7-8 cm long, weak prickles + glands on reverse of petiole, upper surface matte, leaflet margins singly serrate with minute hairs + glands.

The tiny blooms are 1.5in/38 mm wide, 5 whitish petals in full sun. Both pedicel and reverse of sepals are glandular. Blooms in ones and twos and not profuse. From tip of sepal to base of pedicel measures only 15/16in/24 mm. Blooming 12 June 2010 in Sonoma County.

Straight prickles on canes are usually paired and consistently paired below leaves. Two-toned when new.

See photos.
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