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"Mudgee Red" rose Reviews & Comments
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1 MAR 11 by
 Margaret Furness
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Does anyone know a) if this is really a Dot rose, and b) why would he name a rose after a small Australian town, without giving it a Spanish or Catalan name as well?
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#1 of 10 posted
1 MAR 11 by
Patricia Routley
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Mr. Newman might know. His nursery was carrying it in 1992.
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#2 of 10 posted
2 MAR 11 by
Margaret Furness
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Reliable Roses, Green E plants and Florez nursery list it.
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#3 of 10 posted
2 MAR 11 by
Margaret Furness
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Thank you for the extra references, giving 1990 as the earliest date. Unlikely to be Pedro (Pere) Dot, but could be one of his descendants.
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#4 of 10 posted
21 NOV 12 by
Eric Timewell
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I'll take a guess at this one. I'd say 'Mudgee Red' is actually 'Jardinero Ortiz' by Dot, but by Simon Dot, not Pedro. Pedro was still alive in 1969 and many Dot roses were passed off as Pedro Dots because he was world famous. Of course confirmation would require side-by-side comparison or anyway more photos of both. 'Jardinero Ortiz' is still in the Rosas Dot catalogue incidentally.
Here's a further guess: it got to Mudgee because A.S. Thomas, the great rose authority, came from Mudgee and kept contacts and property there all his life. He was still alive and writing in 1987. The rose probably lost its name because people were too scared to pronounce it.
I'm taking bets on this. If I'm wrong, ten dollars to Heritage Roses in Australia, but if I'm right …
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#5 of 10 posted
21 NOV 12 by
Margaret Furness
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A chocolate frog to you?
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#6 of 10 posted
21 NOV 12 by
Eric Timewell
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How about a replacement for wonderful ‘Condesa de Sastago’, who expired recently?
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#7 of 10 posted
22 NOV 12 by
Margaret Furness
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OK, I'll put some budwood in the next batch for Bruce.
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#8 of 10 posted
22 NOV 12 by
Eric Timewell
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Muchas gracias as Dot would have said.
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#9 of 10 posted
23 NOV 12 by
jedmar
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He might have said: moltes graciès :)
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#10 of 10 posted
23 NOV 12 by
Eric Timewell
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True, though having spent nearly 15 years in France he might have preferred merci beaucoup.
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