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'Mademoiselle Marie Rady' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 62-367
most recent 3 MAR 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 3 MAR 12 by andrewandsally
Your description is a fair reflection of the photograph but quite differerent with regard to colour from Ellwanger's description in "The Rose": "Vermillion-red, shaded with crimson..."
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 3 MAR 12 by Landperson
Looking at the references for this rose, I'm wondering if there is adequate evidence to add Comtesse de Choiseul as a synonym? I would be tempted to do so but would like corroboration that it is appropriate.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 3 MAR 12 by jedmar
Ellwanger is the only author who sees 'Mlle Marie Rady' as vermilion-red, the early descriptions are "bright red, white glazing on the circumference".

Regarding the synonymity with 'Comtesse de Choiseul', we need to be very careful. It was "declared" synonymous around 1896 due to its similarity. At the time many roses were already mixed up in nurseries, so the French Rose Association declared many roses as synonyms. In our today's view, these are not synonyms, because they were bred at different times by different breeders and have often known different parentages. We indicate this so-called "synonymity" with a note indicating the similarity.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 3 MAR 12 by Landperson
Thanks, Jedmar.
I obviously did something wrong before because when I did a search for Comtesse de Choiseul I came up with nothing, which made me think (wrongly) that that name wasn't even in our database. Since I now see that that was my error, my inclination to make the two roses synonymous no longer seems like such a good idea.
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Discussion id : 15-331
most recent 4 DEC 06 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 DEC 06 by jedmar

François Joyaux lists Mlle Marie Rady as a Hybrid Perpetual bred by Fontaine (1865).


Source: "Nouvelle Encyclopédie des Roses anciennes", Paris 2005

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