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'Rose Blanche' rose Reviews & Comments
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For a once-flowerer, it has a long flowering season. In South Australia, Mediterranean climate, where it is a common surviving understock, it starts in early August (winter) and flowers through to November.
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Strange to me how this is described as a hybrid Noisette, since it was bred in China before 1811... the Noisette names are ''found'' names presumably..
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Paxton's Horticultural Register 4(47): 187 (May 1835)
Edited by James Main, A.L.S.
Mr. Loudon, in the last number of his Arboretum Britannicum, says, that this plant [Magnolia conspicua] was introduced by Sir Joseph Banks along with Hydrandea Hortensia, Paeonia Moutan, and Rosa Indica, about 1789.
[Given the date, this could be the Rosa indica major, but without a description I won't insist.]
However, at the time of his death [1780], Dr. Fothergill had Rosa indica L. in his garden at Upton.
My thought is that the name Rosa indica major came about because of a superficial resemblance to R. indica (R. banksiae or cymosa).
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Does anyone know if this rose was ever used as a rootstock in the UK? Are there any old gardens or collections known to have it?
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I did have something on this rose written by Martyn Rix but lost on my computer for now... unable to trace on google either... I think it was written for the Historic Roses Group publication, from way back.... so sorry Steve I can't help... maybe Andrew can?..
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Not sure if this is it but it's by Rix.
https://teddingtongardener.com/2014/04/06/bengal-beauty-a-first-class-rose-with-first-prize-for-the-first-flowers-of-the-year/
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Thanks for checking Andrew but no, not that one, I've got that in my documents.. the one I'm thinking of was from 1999 or thereabouts, and I recall he specifically mentions R. indica Major... I made a point of keeping it and now I can't find it...
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Martyn Rix wrote an article on China Roses in the R.N.R.S. Historic Roses Group Spring 1999 journal (No. 17), on page 8, but on a quick look through, I cannot see anything on R. indica major.
There are a few early English references in the HelpMeFind file.
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Patricia, thanks for checking on this, and obviously I appear to have mixed something up.. I was 99 percent certain it was in that article which seems to be the one I was referring to... and it's also the one Andrew linked to above as well, - the 1999 article on China Roses written by Rix....I thought it was a different one but that can't be the case now... I feel sure it's a rose he would have talked about, and it's stuck in my memory somewhere...
thanks again...
I should add, it's a very beautiful rose looking at the photos... if that's rootstock I'd want it to sucker...
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Hi Marlorena,
I hope you do find the reference, it will be very interesting to read.
I really hope R. Indica Major is available somewhere in some form in this country, as it is such a beautiful looking rose - it reminds me so much of some of Redoute's best paintings. And I had never heard of it until a couple of days ago!
Thanks everyone for their thoughts on this, please keep em coming.....
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I've found the links I was referring to above Steve, [if you're still checking in here], but I can't post links for some reason, it disappears off my screen when I try to post...
It wasn't by Rix after all... I found it rummaging around on my computer... it refers to a London publication from 1874 which in turn quotes a French journal detailing how the rose was used as understock, mainly in the south of France though... I'll try to post links another time... there are 3 altogether..
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Well I've tried 4 times to post links but no good... sorry... let's see if this one works.. I've removed the https// bit..
babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044103104576;view=1up;seq=109
bulbnrose.x10.mx/Roses/Picture_view/rosefram.htm
bulbnrose.x10.mx/Roses/Picture_view/rosefram.htm
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Hi Marlorena,
I am indeed still checking here! Great links! - thank you for sticking with it and finding them, they are very interesting.
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