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'Chénédolé' rose References
Book  (2020)  Page(s) 151.  
 
Erroneously named and unidentified rose varieties at the Europa-Rosarium.
Gallica... Chénédole (Thierry, before 1841)
Website/Catalog  (27 Jul 2011)  
 
Rosa Chénêdolé’
Usually classified as a Bourbon rose, although Paul described it as a Hybrid China in the first edition of The Rose Garden.  ‘Chénêdolé’ has very large, very double, vermilion-crimson flowers of cupped shape.  Very thorny, it is a vigorous grower of erect habit and makes a good standard.  [Paul (1848, 1863, 1888, 1903), Rivers (1854, 1857, 1863)].

Horticultural & Botanical History
Bred by Thiery at Caen.  In a report of a visit to River’s Nursery in The Gardeners’ Chronicle, Chénêdolé was described as ‘one of the most showy and beautiful roses ever introduced’.  Rivers certainly concurs with this view, claiming ‘to one variety, too much attention cannot be directed, and this is Chénêdolé, so called from a member of the Chamber of Deputies for Calvados, a district in Normandy, where this fine rose was raised. It has often been asserted that no rose could compete with Brennus in size and beauty; but I feel no hesitation in saying, that, in superior brilliancy of colour, and size of flower, this variety is superior.’  In the first great National Rose show held in July 1858, ‘Chénêdolé’ was listed amongst the roses appearing in multiple (4) winning collections.  [Gard. Chron. 1858].

History at Camden Park
Included in a handwritten list of roses dated 1861, probably intended for a new edition of the catalogue that was never printed.  [MP A2943].  This rose was also included in the bill of lading for roses sent from Veitch’s Nursery, Chelsea on Dec, 31st, 1859 on board the ‘Hollinside’ but found dead on arrival.
Magazine  (2010)  Page(s) No. 39.  
 
p4. Photo. One of the outstanding lost roses refound in Normandy was ‘Chenedollé’ which may have been named for the village of that name or for the poet Charles Julien Lioult de Chenedollé (1769-1833), who came of a noble family in the Vire (Calvados) region. Photo: Charles Quest-Ritson.

p4. Daniel Lemonnier. ….I had another surprise thanks to Mrs. Gwen Fagan, from the Cape of Good Hope, when she gave a presentation of the roses of her garden at the 7th heritage Rose conference in Cambridge, England. Among them was ‘Chenedollé’ (1840), a Hybrid China lost in Europe, and that I knew to have been raised by Thierry of Caen. It is a vigorous bush described by Rivers in his Rose Amateur’s Guide (1846) as an admirable rose that cannot be too widely cultivated. I agree.

p17 Charles Quest-Ritson ….in Normandy, where the Historic Roses Group will be running a tour in June. …..Old Norman roses that we shall see during the tour include… and bright pink ‘Chenedollé’ [Thierry, 1848] both identified and preserved in two gardens that we shall visit.
Book  (2000)  Page(s) 158-159.  
 
‘Chénédole’ = Chine… Par sa végétation il évoque un rosier gallique, mais la forme de la fleur et son coloris suggèrent une ascendance chinoise… ne fleurit qu’une fois… gros boutons ronds, souvent groupés par 2 ou 3, ouvrent sans hâte leurs sépales feuillés, couverts de glandes, sur de grandes fleurs plates à quartiers, très odorantes, aux pétales soyeux d’un vermillon clair et doux. Un feuillage vert foncé, cassant, habille ce grand buisson armé de petits aiguillons crochus, et dont les rameaux un peu lâches gagnent à recevoir un support. Thierry, France, avant 1841. Ascendance inconnue.
Book  (Jul 1998)  Page(s) 300.  
 
Chénédolé
Cette variété, obtenue par Thierry, est décrite au catalogue Verdier de 1841 (no. 348): "moyenne ou grande, très multiple, cerise vif". Dans tous les catalogues de l'époque, elle est classée en hybride de Chine ou en hybride non remontant: nous avon suivi cette habitude. Nous n'avons trouvé "Chénédolé" qu'à la roseraie de Sangerhausen où, en revanche, elle est classée en gallique. C'est une classification qui pourrait parfaitement se justifier se justifier car la fleur, outre sa non-remontance qui la distingue nettement des Chine, présente bien des caractères propres galliques.
Book  (1995)  Page(s) 42 (third edition).  Includes photo(s).
 
Photo. “Libertas Rose” (‘Chenedole’?) [Footnote – (1) Sangerhausen Rosarium has recently confirmed my identification.]

Although I have been unable to identify this rose, it appears to be a Gallica hybrid, judging by its fat round cerise buds and brittle dark-green leaves. The very fragrant quartered flower lacks, however, the purple-maroon sheen of the pure Gallica and this may indicate some China parentage. I saw it for the first time one November morning as a large shrub in full bloom on the side of a farm road behind the main house at Libertas. This farm dates back to the 17th century and is famous because its one-time owner, Adam Tas, was locked up in the Dark Hole of the Castle in Cape Town by the corrupt governor, Willem Adriaan van der Stel in 1705. The story had a happy ending for Tas, who was released when the governor was relieved of his duties and recalled to Holland. Of all the old roses I found growing at Libertas this one was the most spectacular. It grew easily from the slips I took and I am calling the rose “Libertas” until someone identifies it more accurately. `William Paul, on page 75 pf the second part pf The Rose Garden, describes a Chinese-Gallica hybrid of vigorous growth with light vermilion, very large double flowers and spiny stems. He calls it a superb pillar rose and a good seed-bearer – all of which fit the Libertas rose perfectly. Could this be Paul’s ‘Chénédolé which actually did grow in the Cape Town Botanic Garden in the mid-19th century? Dr. Morley, who has many beautiful old roses in his garden, Lime Kiln, near Adelaide in Australia, has found a rose which appears to be identical to my ‘Chénédolé, growing along old roadsides and cemeteries in South-West Australia. He too has not been able to identify it. (1)
Plant: A tall suckering shrub growing 1.5 – 2 mertres high with many drooping branches. There are many hooked thorns of varying sizes. Foliage: Five oval, large, dull-green leathery leaflets with dull surfaces and serrated edges; the stalk and adnate stipules are glandular on their edges. Flowers: Round buds open to large, dark pink, roughly quartered flowers of 10cm in diameter. The stamens and bunch of pistils are of the same length. The calyx is cup-shaped and glandular as are the branched reflexing sepals. The flowers appear in spring and do not repeat. They are very fragrant. Inflorescence: Flowers are borne singly at the tips of the main branches on glandular stems.
Book  (Jun 1992)  Page(s) 116.  
 
Chénédolé
Hybrid China
Thierry, circa 1840
... Bright carmine... light vermilion... its flowers are of a peculiar glowing vivid crimson, discernible at a great distance...
Book  (1936)  Page(s) 150.  
 
Chénédolé, (gallica) Thierry ? ; glossy carmine, very large, double, flat cup form, climbing habit
Book  (1933)  Page(s) 72.  
 
Our search has been to try to find certain roses, especially Coupe d'Hébé, a "perfect" flower in pink, so lovely in the colored illustration in William Paul's book, so enthusiastically written about by Dean Hole; also Chenedole, a light vermilion, and some of the rich, strong reds.
Book  (1914)  Page(s) 29.  
 
Chénédolé was raised by Thierry of Caen, and called after a member of the Chamber of Deputies for that district; it has double flowers of a vivid crimson, and was perhaps the first rose of its class to challenge pride of place with the older Brennus; Rivers thought too much attention could not be directed to Chénédolé and that it could not be too much cultivated. It is still often found in gardens.
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