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'Honorine de Brabant' rose Reviews & Comments
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That's very interesting. Has SGH confirmed that Gros Provins Panaché came from Mr Lewis? If so, we need to know the origin of Lewis's plants. But I don't know where his archives are now.
Margaret Furness mentions that they have different ploidies; it would be interesting to know who established this and what further tests they have done on the two cvs.
Jäger says that Gros Provins Panaché is Dunkelviolett, rot und Weiss, which is surprising. Even when fresh, I would not describe the stripes as dark purple. Did Jäger know it at SGH or was he copying from a written source?
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19 MAR by
 jedmar
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Jäger does not record 'Gross Provins Panaché' als existing in Sangerhuasen, so he must have taken the description from earlier literature. The colours violet, red and white are indeed mentioned by the references prior to 1936. The drawing of Journal des Roses in 1886 doesn't have violet in it, though. The form of the bloom is not quite like the cupped to semi-globular 'Honorine de Branbant'.
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"Honorine de Brabant" is a working name, given to this cultivar by Rémi Tanne when he launched it in 1916. However, in their book Historische Rosen im Europa Rosarium Sangerhausen: Noisette- und Bourbon-Rosen by Hella Brumme and Eilike Vemmer, published by Kosmos in 2023, the authors show that it can now be firmly identified as 'Gros Provins Panaché', introduced in 1855 by the prolific French breeder François Fontaine. Was it a sport of 'Commandant Beaurepaire'? Highly unlikely, though research might reveal that 'Commandant Beaurepaire' was a sport of 'Gros Provins Panaché'.
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"Honorine de Brabant" is said to be tetraploid, and Gros Provins Panache ex Guillot is diploid. So if A = B, then either what Guillot has, or what was tested as "Honorine de Brabant", was incorrect.
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That's important, but where's the evidence?
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Good point. I can't see a reference for H de B's ploidy.
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19 MAR by
jedmar
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What they are saying is that there is no difference between these two roses at the rosariums of Sangerhausen and Dortmund. That is quite possible, but is not conclusive evidence that the two roses were not originally distinct.
A note to HMF's 'Gros Provins Panaché" already mentioned that GPP in commerce is often HdB. GPP was not in the collection of Sangerhausen in 1936 and is not mentioned in any of the first 8 Rosen-Verzeichnis of Sangerhausen. It is listed as Provins Panaché in the 9th edition of 2011. Its provenance seems to be the National Bourbon rose collection of Victor Lewis of UK, which was disbanded. Probably Victor Lewis already had the wrong rose.
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I have had this rose for a year now, bought as a potted plant grafted on Laxa. So far she is perfectly healthy here in z11 against an east facing wall. The blooms are wonderful and have very nice fragrance.
My only issue with her is that the blooms are not very abundant. I didn't prune her at all and she is becoming a huge plant. The bloom/plant ratio is no good at all in spite of adequate feeding. I will give her more time and observe, I hope she will bloom more in the future.
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15 NOV 13 by
Smtysm
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Honorine de Brabant has very light, bright green foliage; Granny Smith green, paler than grass, tending toward the lime/yellow end of the spectrum. I don't find the hues of the blooms harmonious with the hues of the foliage. Nor does the foliage suit the garden bed in which it's currently residing, which contains darker and bluish greens predominantly. The blooms nestle in amongst the foliage on quite short [4inches/11cm] stems, so you can't really ignore the presence of the foliage.
The plant is highly vigorous and is 7 ft tall and 5 broad at 1 year of age, and reasonably dense. The stems are straight or gently curved, and flexible, staying green for a long time.
Lamarque is another with this light green foliage, and it's in the perfect spot to harmonise with a Eureka lemon that is growing next to its fence. Inspiration eludes me as to where best to place Honorine de Brabant to best effect.
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16 APR 22 by
Gdisaz10
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it tends to lose a lot of buds with heavy rains
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