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'Souvenir de Gilbert Nabonnand' rose Reviews & Comments
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In The Roses of the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden Catalog, Tenth Anniversary Edition, April 2005, there are listings for Souvenir de Gilbert Nabonnand and Clementina Carbonieri (in trade as) [= Souvenir de Gilbert Nabonnand].
The provenance of Souvenir de Gilbert Nabonnand is recorded as Goteborg Rosarium, Gothemburg, Sweden.
The provenance of Clementina Carbonieri (in trade as) [= Souvenir de Gilbert Nabonnand] is Kathleen Jagger, Orinda, CA.
Is there anyone here who can add to this?
Is there any information available re the provenance of the roses in the Goteborg Rosarium?
Does anyone have a record of the source of Kathleen Jagger's rose?
Are there any clues to why it was decided the correct name of the rose is Souvenir de Gilbert Nabonnand?
We visited The San Jose Heritage Rose Garden in 2005 and my notes from that visit say "These two roses appear to be identical. Cannot find any point of difference."
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Billy Teabag has pointed out that the "thornless" description may come from confusion with G Nabonnand. The rose photographed in 133782 and 263146 has prickles.
Would someone who grows this rose please post side-on views of prickles, and of a bud to show the receptacle and pedicel, if possible. Does it set hips? I note that no descendants are recorded.
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This rose was still available in 1939 in Sydney, Australia as it appears in the 1939 Hazlewood Bros. catalogue, albeit under an addendum of available but infrequently demanded roses.
"Souv. de Gilbert Nabonnand (T.) (Nabonnand, 1920), 4. -- Coppery pink."
p.67
The '4' refers to the general habit of growth the Hazlewoods allocated to a rose, in this case 4 indicates "Tall, rampant, growing, non-climbing sorts, which must be placed in the back row if the best effect is to be gained."
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As Tea Roses. Old Roses for Warm Gardens, 2008 found. Refer their page 44.
Refer also to the nursery listing for Hazlewood Bros photo listing their heights.
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=21.227400
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"Tetraploid" Tea? Seems unlikely.
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29 NOV 15 by
 AquaEyes
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There are quite a few triploid Teas out there, and if two of them got together, a tetraploid offspring could result.
In any case, I wonder if the rose going under this name is identical to one of the other "sunset colored" Teas out there, like 'Clementina Carbonieri' or 'Isabelle Nabonnand'.
:-)
~Christopher
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