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'Mrs. Charles Lamplough' rose Reviews & Comments
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18 JUL 17 by
 Patricia Routley
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1924 Hazlewood Bros.
p30. 'Mrs. H. R. Darlington'.....is much better than Mrs Charles Lamplough in that it does not ball so much.
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16 JUN 08 by
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I am very interested to hear more about the features of this rose and seeing any current photos of its features as it may be an unknown HT found on a 1925 grave of Charles William Ellis in South Australia.
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#1 of 15 posted
16 JUN 08 by
billy teabag
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Sorry I don't know of any current photos of 'Mrs Charles Lamplough', but have a 1926 image (added to the 'Mrs Charles Lamplough' page).
The description with this portrait reads:
Mrs. Charles Lamplough. (Hybrid Tea)
A fine exhibition rose, producing large, well-formed flowers of great elegance. Its habit of growth is vigorous, it is free flowering, and a bold bedding rose with a delightful perfume.
Should be hard pruned for exhibition purposes, leaving from four to six 'eyes' when growing for decorative purposes. Introduced in 1920, and awarded the Gold Medal of the National Rose Society.
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#3 of 15 posted
18 JUN 08 by
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Hey Billy and Margaret looks like the rose is not a possible with that pink shading and the shape of the bloom.
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#2 of 15 posted
18 JUN 08 by
Margaret Furness
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"C W Ellis ROR" has a central ball rather than being high-centred, then opens out like a magnolia (see attached photos). Flowers non-stop in zone 9, good lemony scent. Yes we need current photos of 'Mrs Charles Lamplough' to compare.
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#5 of 15 posted
21 JUN 08 by
Cass
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Margaret, I collected an early Hybrid Tea very much like your "C. W. Ellis ROR" from a Gold Country ranch house dating back to the early 1900's. The blooms open in exactly the same form you photograph. It is a prolific rebloomer. The blooms blow quickly in the heat. I will search for some shots. I don't recall strong scent, however. The color is cream rather than white.
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#6 of 15 posted
22 JUN 08 by
Margaret Furness
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The scent isn't strong close in, but is detectable from a long distance, and is good in the car. The plant is by itself in the middle of a cemetery, and sets a lot of hips, which must be self-pollinated. I haven't been able to grow its seeds. It has been colonised by ants which pollinate it before the flowers open, and defend it vigorously. It is very reluctant to strike from cuttings. The flowers are big, and are cream with lemon at the heart. The bush is upright, about 2m (6'6") high. One of Pat T's foundlings.
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#7 of 15 posted
22 JUN 08 by
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I will add a couple of photos if I can of the blooms - they are pretty dark and I have tried to lighten then a bit but don't know how the photos will come up here.
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#8 of 15 posted
22 JUN 08 by
Ozoldroser
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When I first put a comment on this rose I had not signed in - hence my being anonymous.
I will post two photos of "C W Ellis ROR" taken a while ago at Mitcham Cemetery showing the form and style of bush and bloom - both a bit dark
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#10 of 15 posted
22 JUN 08 by
Cass
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I've opened up a page for "C.W. Ellis ROR." If you can upload your photos there, it would be a great help. If you have problems, let me know and I'll try to have these moved.
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#11 of 15 posted
26 JUN 08 by
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Today, working on a foundling I collected about 20 years ago I was zeroing in on 'Mrs. Charles Lamplough' as a possible id when I discovered Cas and Maragaret discussing their foundlings which may be MCL. My foundling came from the old Tuolumne County library, in Sonora, which prior to becoming a library was the office of the local division of the U.S. National Forest. Planting dates to about 1940, though there was an old home on the site, and perhaps the rose was saved from this earlier landscape.
I've long thought it was a McGredy production, or related. It has that sturdy 'Frau Karl Druschki' look of several of their roses. "Tuolumne Co. Library Yellow" has pale yellow flowers which fade out to cream with a pale yellow center with rose highlights on this yellow center. The young buds are pale yellow with rose tints on petal edges. The anther filaments are distinctly short and red. The flower is 4 1/2 inches across and 2 1/2 inches deep, filled with heavy textured petals. It is scented but not notably fragrant. The appearance seems very similar to Margarets photo of "C.W. Ellis ROR". I have taken photos, but do not know how to submit them. Fred
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#12 of 15 posted
26 JUN 08 by
Margaret Furness
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No hint of pink about "C W Ellis ROR", which is why we discarded Mrs C L and Mme Jules Bouche and others. Yours sounds more promising.
Something I learnt slowly; you can add pics to Comments and Qs only after you've sent the text. Then a button appears.
It would be intriguing if someone did an article on roses with what Billy Teabag calls pink eyelashes - red stamens.
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#13 of 15 posted
26 JUN 08 by
Cass
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Fred, are your photos digital? HMF now has the name of your foundling, "Tuolumne Co. Library Yellow" in the database. You can upload your photos on that page using the UPLOAD PHOTO button. If your photos are film, then they must to scanned to convert them to digital.
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#9 of 15 posted
22 JUN 08 by
Cass
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Margaret, I have added "C. W. Ellis ROR" to HMF. Can you upload your shots there?
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#14 of 15 posted
26 JUN 08 by
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Seeing these images makes me fairly certain that "C.W.Ellis, ROR" is 'McGredy's Ivory', a seedling from 'Mrs. Charles Lamplough', but white, having an empty center and having lustrous foliage from the pollen parent. Good find. Fred
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#15 of 15 posted
27 JUN 08 by
Margaret Furness
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Must be very close, but there are a couple of things against it. The photos of McGredy's Ivory on HMF look too high-centred (the ball centre of "C W Ellis" is a consistent feature). Gregg and Phillip grow McGredy's Ivory but didn't recognise "C W Ellis" (but they were just off an international flight).
Margaret
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#4 of 15 posted
18 JUN 08 by
Patricia Routley
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I think 'Mrs. Charles Lamplough' is a huge rose, of the size similar to 'Frau Karl Druschki'. Possibly far too big to be "C. W. Ellis". My memory of "C. W. Ellis" is of the hollowness of the open bloom.
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