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Discussion id : 130-050
most recent 11 DEC 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 11 DEC 21 by Patricia Routley
The front page of the Buisman Heerde catalog (autumn 1929) contains a color photograph of the rose Charles P. Kilham. This rose is here attributed to: G. Beckwith & Son. It is not the climbing rose. Is this right?

Responding further to Member 1923’s comment in What Is This.

Most references say G. Beckwith & Son was the correct breeder.
Modern Roses 2 in 1940 attributed it to Beckwith
Modern Roses 5 in 1958 changed it to McGredy and introduced by Beckwith.

This MAY have come about by a list of McGredy-bred roses that the editor of the American Rose Annual received. A paragraph in the 1935 Annual on page 164 as follows:
The McGredy roses. Included in the mass of material which came to the editors’ desk concerning the “House of McGredy“, was an impressive list of the roses originated by that firm. While a certain proportion of these roses has disappeared, those that have made history, or are still grown in gardens, make an impressive list. Varieties that won the Gold Medal or the Certificate of Merit of the National Rose Society of England, and others that have become generally useful in this country include:
….[following was a list of 25 roses bred by both Sam II and Sam III. The list does not contain ‘Charles P. Kilham’]
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 11 DEC 21 by jedmar
I have added two references from 1937, which clarify that Charles P. Kilham was working for G. Beckwith and Sons. The attribution to McGredy seems to be an error of Modern Roses and I think we can drop it.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 11 DEC 21 by Patricia Routley
Agree. Dropped.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 11 DEC 21 by 1923
Ook mee eens, dank u voor de verschafte duidelijkheid.
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Discussion id : 130-049
most recent 11 DEC 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Discussion id : 87-897
most recent 18 SEP 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 17 SEP 15 by CybeRose
Modern Roses 6 (1965 ) p. 63
Charles P. Kilham. HT. (McGredy; int. Beckwith, '26.) Parentage unknown. Large, dbl. (32 petals), well formed, slightly fragrant, red-orange, fading to Lincoln red. Vig., bushy; free bloom. NRS Gold Medal, '27.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 18 SEP 15 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Karl.
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Discussion id : 80-519
most recent 14 SEP 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 14 SEP 14 by CybeRose
House & Garden (1929) 55: 140
How Roses Come By Their Names
J. H. Nicolas
Again, one day the owner of a large English Rose nursery asked his superintendent, Charles P. Kilham, in charge of hybridization, to point out which he thought to be the best of the many seedlings in process of testing. After the most worthy Rose had been selected, the owner said, "Kilham, in recognition of your many services to the firm, we will name this Rose for you."
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