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'Cayenne' rose Reviews & Comments
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Vintage Gardens Antique Roses in Sebastopol, California, informed me that they are closing their nursery. It will no longer be possible to acquire roses from them.
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15 JAN 12 by
 goncmg
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Hi...not an error, but Columbus Park of Roses has a bed of MAGIC MOON, GR, 1970, Schwartz! MR 12 lists parents as Little Darling x Golden Scepter (aka Spek's Yellow), and Magic Moon is in the AARS Proof reviews 72-73-74 where in one of them someone wrote a line that has always made me laugh "burns and balls but throws a fantastic spray". Not sure why I have always thought that funny. Anyway, the bed has been here in Columbus since I moved here from Chico in 1979. The plant is big and lusty (definitely from the "mother!"), huge leathery foliage, the blooms are informal, very tightly packed with petals, orange with silver reserve just like MR states. Some years the bed gets hit by Round-Up (still! I thought everyone knew to keep this is so away from roses!)...but it comes back and so far has not been replaced although so many beds are getting dug up and replaced with Buck hybrids we have seen a 1000 times alread, sigh. CAN YOU LIST THIS ROSE? In the spring I will get some pictures sent in. Steve SInger in WI also budded me a few maidens, the Park let me have some budwood. Since I have a weakness for GR's from the 70's! The rose was so far under the radar that most people assume it is extinct but it was such a minor player I doubt anyone thought to even state that. Well, it is at least alive and surprisingly well for being probably 40+ here in COLUMBUS!
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15 JAN 12 by
jedmar
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Magic Moon added to the database. Thank you!
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Does it in any way resemble Scherzo, which is also an orange bicolor?
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16 JAN 12 by
goncmg
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No idea what Scherzo is............I will look it up...........Magic Moon kis buxom and big, the blooms are quartered usually which tells you right then and there with an intro date of 70 why it failed.............it orange,maybe fading to coral-orange, with a white or silver reverse.................Columbus Park of Roses is fading and FAST due to city budget..........so many beds are being dug up and re-planted sparsely with Buck or Brownell roses, things we have seen, things being chosen for "winterability" by basic, I am sorry, idiots, who do not realize Columbus is 6a at worst or 7b at best, not at all 5a as listed....................how the bed of Magic Moon, as well as Mme Chiang Kai Shek has survived for at LEAST 32 years (they were here when I moved here in 79).............it is testimony to both LUCK and VIGOR.................in Jan 93 Columbus hit the all time EVER low of -26.....................well, Magic and Mme CKS are still there................and it was -19 Jan 85 and -22 Dec 84 not to mention the legendary blizzard and subsequent record lows of -10 to -20 for a WEEK in 77-78.......
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15 JAN 12 by
goncmg
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CAYENNE, HT was introduced in 1975 per Modern Roses 12 (and my memory!)....the site has it listed as 1966, that is wrong.
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Do you have any other reference we can use to corroborate this? I just looked at the Patent which was applied for in 1974 and issued in 1975, but 1966 is referenced more often, so I am loathe to change it in the data base until we have more information.
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15 JAN 12 by
goncmg
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Modern Roses 12 is pretty much the "Bible"....that is my ref, I own a copy...probably 10 and 11 have Cayenne listed as well......it absolutely did not come out in 1966.....
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15 JAN 12 by
jedmar
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Unfortunately, no publication is an infallible bible: "Modern Roses" is also made by people and its viewpoint changes over time. MR 10 and MR 11 have 1966 as breeding year for 'Cayenne'. 1974 was the year this rose was introduced by Jackson & Perkins into commerce (after the patent application). The breeding year is 1966. It is perfectly normal to have a period of 8-12 years between the time a rose was bred until it is finally introduced (or discarded). HMF tries to reflect the actual year bred, not the introduction, as you can sometimes have curious cases when the descendant of a rose seems older than its parent if one only considers the year of introduction.
We have added 1974 as year of introduction by J & P in order to clarify.
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