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Heirloom Roses, Inc. (USA)
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Update on Heirloom Roses: Top/Popular Floribundas are now listed at $55 each, such as Ebb Tide, Koko Loko and Plum Perfect. Other Floribundas are listed at $52 or $42. Hybrid Teas are priced at $50, $46 and $42. In fairness Heirloom, in my opinion, delivers a very good product which is well-packed for shipping and the plants arrive 1800 miles away in great shape. They do often have 20% off sales throughout the season but if you wait for those you run the risk that the rose you really want won't be available or is not a part of the sale. Like I said before perhaps stock is low and the pricing is representative of supply/demand forces.
But, when Roses Unlimited has the same rose for $24 that Heirloom has for $50 or even more, it's a no-brainer to go with Roses Unlimited (which also does a great job and delivers an excellent product).
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Just out of curiosity I looked through my old files. Back in 1992, just 30 years ago, I bought a dozen roses from Heirloom Old Garden Roses (their original name) at $8 each. Adjusted for inflation that's $15.45. So there seem to be other "stresses" on the rose business beyond inflation.
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Chamblee's has similar prices, the same size (except they actually use more than 1/2G soil), a detailed web site, a smooth transactional website, and commerce-fair shipping.
Certified through Home Depot and Lowe's has bud n bloom on large plants in the spring season for a similar price relative to the pot size and with shipping included. I have yet to use Certified online as a test though.
The issue, of course, is that not all places carry all product.
In my case, I missed the boat on 'Honey Nectar' and 'Summer Love' when they were in open commerce. So, I ordered Honey Nectar earlier this year. Good size plant for a 1G. I received Summer Love today and it was a twiglet. Not worth the money at all. But what am I going to do? Ask for a replacement? Complain? No, its all there is for the year, even in e-commerce.
It's a tale of "Is is what it is," and we have no choice, except to either accept a bad trade or skip the product.
I ordered from Hortico for years on end, knowing that the European HT/FLs were disappearing at an alarming rate and knowing half my order would be wrong. I accepted it, dealt with the stress of it, and saved a few stellar roses that are no longer in North American commerce. It truly sucks, but "it is what it is." All we can do is let people be aware.
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Ahem. This nursery is back to the practice of introducing "new" roses that are actually old roses under newly invented (by them) marketing names. I called them out on this when they introduced "Moonlight in Paris" that is actually Garden and Home, a previously introduced variety in the US (by Ludwigs), and for which "Garden and Home" is also the official exhibition name for that rose. A few weeks ago, they showed the codename (DELanac) of "Moonlight in Paris" on their website, so one could see when this supposedly "new" rose was actually a re-introduction of the older rose under a new name, which in that case, it was. Their response to being called out on using new marketing names was to remove the codenames from their website listings for their so-called "new" roses. So they have now just taken to hiding the fact that their "new" roses are actually re-introductions of older roses under newly invented names. Beware!
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Dear Kathy Strong's Del Cerro Garden,
Thank your for your post, however, we do not take the liberty to rename roses for marketing or any other purposes.
The rose you referred to had it's name changed directly by the breeder. We have never grown Garden and Home, so this rose, Moonlight in Paris was new to us and introduced as such to our customers.
If you would like to discuss our new introduction process, please give us a call and our Sales and Marketing Manager will be happy to speak with you. You can reach us at 800-820-0465.
Thank you.
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That's different than what I had heard, and if I am wrong, I am sorry. But, for the record, what I understood was that you had obtained these roses from Ludwig's stock after Anja closed the Arizona company, and there this rose was known as "Garden and Home," and a few of my rose society pals that bought it from them grow it under that name, which is also how the ARS has it registered. I also looked at the current Ludwigs catalog for their South African company, and it is also sold there as "Garden and Home."
See, this quote from Ludwig's current catalog blurb on this rose:
Garden and Home DELanac(N)
One of few roses with informal growth habit & flower
shape of the old roses while possessing flower power
& vigour; clusters on upright growing stems - pickable.
Round buds open slowly to classical cup shape of old
roses; many petals & stamens; fruity, spicy fragrance;
deep green, slightly frilly leaves. Plant alone, in groups,
rows or mix with others.
From Ludwigs 2017/2018 catalog: see, http://www.ludwigsroses.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/2017-18_ludwigs_roses_catalogue.pdf
So, with all that, now I am really curious who took it upon themselves to rename this rose "Moonlight in Paris." Can you shed any light on that?
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23 AUG 21 by
Ben H
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'Moonlight in Paris' and 'Garden and Home' are both valid names for DELanac, according to Combined Rose List 2019. 'Moonlight in Paris' is a Trademark of Delbard, meaning Heirloom Roses did not unilaterally rename it. I would think that recent re-namings of all kinds would take time to show up in paper and ink sources such as Dobson and Schnieder's Combined Rose List.
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Disappointed that Heirloom is still selling a rose under the name "Spiced Coffee" (which is a rose originally bred by Samuel McGredy as MAC Juliat) that is very clearly not the original Spiced Coffee. A true MACJuliat Spiced Coffee was sold by Anja at Ludwig's in Phoenix before it closed and several people in Phoenix purchased it and their roses exactly match the appearance of the originally bred MACJuliat rose.
Eager to have a rose that looked like the rose sold by Anja, I purchased the Spice Coffee rose last year that Heirloom is selling (as did several rose people I know online) and despite them identifying it as "MACJuliat", it is definitely not the same rose that was bred by Sam McGredy. To make matters worse, the one I purchased from Heirloom died of canker after it bloomed only once.
In fairness to Heirloom, the photo pictured on their website is what the rose you receive looks like when it blooms, but that picture is not of a true Samuel McGredy "MACJuliat" bred rose. I did send them a lengthy email explaining the discrepancy, yet in their reply they insisted it is the same rose.
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28 MAY 20 by
 jedmar
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Please see my remarks under 'Spiced Coffee'
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I have got my first rose from Heirloom rose. Unfortunately, the rose was not successful. (I do not blame Heirloom rose, because I ordered the wrong rose for my place, Pacific Northwest) However, I really appreciate their customer services. I was not knowledgable about growing roses and had to ask so many questions. They responded me soon whenever I asked questions. I will do more researches and will buy another rose which is more suitable for my area from the Heirloom rose again.
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