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most recent 11 days ago HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 12 days ago by Jeri Jennings
"Grandmother's Hat" is NOT the same as 'Molly Sharman-Crawford'.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 12 days ago by Kim Rupert
That was one of the several potential identifications proposed by Bob Edberg based upon illustrations in old rose publications. Unfortunately, we'll never know just who it is. I sent bud wood of it to The Netherlands years ago in hopes someone there would be able to compare it to similar roses there. It hasn't ever happened.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 11 days ago by Jay-Jay
Kim,
Maybe I might shine some light on that in a personal message.
Once I got delivered 3 the same unknown roses instead of Gruss an Aachen.
I wasn't familiar with Grandmother's Hat... and today I looked at some photo's on HMF of it and for me the "false delivered Gruss an Aachen" and G.H. were similar. I gave those plants away.
Best Regards, Jay-Jay.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 11 days ago by Kim Rupert
Thanks, Jay-Jay. Good "seeing" you, by the way!
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 11 days ago by Kathy Strong
The rose exhibitor community has been showing Grandmothers Hat under the name “Cornet” for decades. “Found” roses are not allowed at most shows, and apparently someone did a comparison in the literature, and that was the best approximation to the found rose that is everywhere in California.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 11 days ago by Kim Rupert
Another Bob Edberg effort. Bob's major effort was Limberlost Books. He found old colored plates he felt were sufficient matches for both of those identifications. And, it was based upon those plates he made them.
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Initial post 13 days ago by ABQ Rose Lady
I live in Albuquerque, New Mexico. My back rose garden gets very hot. What I mean is over 100 degrees. Last year Eden was 1 year old and she was not happy in the heat. She produced fabulous blooms in May and then grew tall with laterals but not one singe bloom after that. This year I am going to put a heat shield cloth over her in the hopes this will help. Does anyone have any other thoughts? I was watering 2x a day because she became dehydrated. Thanks in advance for yur suggestions.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 13 days ago by Jay-Jay
When established, Eden should be heat tolerant to that degree. It is described as "heat-tolerant".
Growing large canes uses energy. Bind those at an angle of 30-45 degrees... and the rose will make laterals on the canes that should flower.
As for watering: dig a hole near the roots, put in a big plant-pot. When pouring water in the pot, the water comes directly at the roots and the topsoil will not close off. Do that less often than twice a day and extend the intervals. Later on when established, remove the pot and close the hole.

The "pot-method" works well too with Zucchini's (Courgette) and Pumpkins. In the pot You can fertilize too. Not the roses, for Rosaceae do not like fertilizers directly at their roots. Strawberries as being part of the Rosaceae family also do not like fertilizers on their root-system.

PS: I looked up my own rating for heat tolerant for Eden. I rated the rose in its youth as fair.
Now, I would rate it as good to excellent. For it stands at a hot place.
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Initial post 20 MAR 15 by moriah
If you have one on it's own root, you only need one as the roots spread and shoots come up near by.
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Reply #1 of 24 posted 27 MAY 22 by peterdewolf
Great tip, thanks
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Reply #2 of 24 posted 9 JUN 23 by Domenico 67
Wow that's good, as I love this cultivar, and just bought one on own roots!
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Reply #3 of 24 posted 10 JUN 23 by Jay-Jay
It suckers a lot, maybe more than You would like it to do.
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Reply #4 of 24 posted 15 JUN 23 by Domenico 67
Ok... I'll see if I love this rose enough ahahah

Anyway, this is another very Gallica-like trait. This plant is really like a strongly reblooming Gallica hybrid. Pretty unique in the entire rose world, I think.
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Reply #5 of 24 posted 4 JUL 23 by Domenico 67
Update: my own roots Rose de Resht is doing unbelievably well, despite being still in a 6 l container. She's suckering and blooming like there's no tomorrow, developing in a thick mass of fragrant foliage and developing flower buds (she had already given a fair number of blooms before).
I'm keeping all my new roses well watered and fertilized, and I added some mycorrhizal supplement too.
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Reply #12 of 24 posted 1 APR by PierreLaPierre
Hi Jay-Jay. Just came across these comments in relation to Rose de Rescht. We have one here going into it's third season, own root, and I've just noticed there are five small new shoots about 20cm tall growing about 20-30cm from the plant. All are covered in leaflets. Are you saying these would be defined as suckers as for me they are new shoots from the root of the cultivar? I plan to carefully dig them out and plant them around the garden. One of our favourite roses here, flowers almost continually from late May until December. Cheers
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Reply #13 of 24 posted 1 APR by Jay-Jay
Do You have photo's?
At my place, at first the suckers appeared at that distance too, later on at 50cm.
It doesn't go berserk as for suckering.
I would suggest let them grow this season and dig them up in Fall. Than plant them at new places...
Or dig them up now, prune off 1/3 and pot them. Plant in Fall or Spring next year.
Good luck, Bonne Chance!
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Reply #14 of 24 posted 2 APR by PierreLaPierre
Jay-Jay thank you for your reply and advice. I will see how much the new offspring grow in the next month and maybe replant them elsewhere in the gardens in the autumn. Two photos uploaded for you.
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Reply #15 of 24 posted 3 APR by Jay-Jay
From: mgnv.org/plants/glossary/glossary-sucker/
A sucker is a sprout or slim branch of new growth at the root or base of the plant. Suckers are often able to put out their own roots and become new plants that are clones, genetically identical to the parent plants.

As for the web-address, I'm not able to post a complete link.
As for the photo's on that website: very informative.
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Reply #17 of 24 posted 3 APR by PierreLaPierre
Jay-Jay thank you for the definition from the Master Gardeners if Northern Virginia, I will disagree with them as the English word sucker is mostly and wholly a negative word indicating that something is being taken from something, in this case to undermine / weaken the plant, whereas here we are discussing the natural proliferation of the mother plant, in good health and contented with it's natural surroundings. For what it's worth Treloar Roses has a reasonable explication www.treloarroses.com.au . Personally I prefer to simply call them new shoots as opposed to water shoots. Kind regards pierre
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Reply #18 of 24 posted 3 APR by Margaret Furness
Many of the old roses we find on roadsides and in not-yet-tidied cemeteries or old neglected gardens have survived because they sucker. Likewise the ramblers survive because they root down (layer themselves). They spread into a more prosperous area, or spring back after being cut down or burnt, because some parts are in relatively sheltered spots.
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Reply #19 of 24 posted 3 APR by Jay-Jay
What do YOU consider as "water-shoots"?
The term (in Dutch) "waterloten", when used for fruit-trees, is often misleading... or even wrong.
What You call "new shoots" is called over here, describing it: "Grondscheuten" or "Worteluitlopers"... "Ground-shoots" or "Root-shoots".
A sucker is a new shoot from a root. Often after wounding the root.
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Reply #22 of 24 posted 14 days ago by Jay-Jay
Peter/PierrelaPierre,
Better not post Your mail-address in a comment, to avoid spam. (You can remove it from Your post)
If You intended to give it to me, to react directly, better put it in a so called "Private Message".
Best Regards, Jay-Jay.
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Reply #20 of 24 posted 5 APR by HMF Admin
Hi Jay-Jay,

Can you contact the support dept with details about not being able to post the website link.
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Reply #21 of 24 posted 14 days ago by Jay-Jay
I did so, HMF Admin.
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Reply #23 of 24 posted 14 days ago by Kathy Strong
I yesterday tried to post a missing plant “Little Rhody” with a link to High Country Roses website listing it for sale. This website would not allow me to post that.


And just tried it again. Still not allowed.
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Reply #24 of 24 posted 14 days ago by HMF Admin
Thank you Jay-Jay
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Reply #16 of 24 posted 3 APR by Jay-Jay
From MGNV, when looking for "Sucker plant Definition"
From: mgnv org plants glossary glossary sucker
A sucker is a sprout or slim branch of new growth at the root or base of the plant. Suckers are often able to put out their own roots and become new plants that are clones, genetically identical to the parent plants.
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Reply #6 of 24 posted 24 JAN 24 by odinthor
'Rose de Rescht' seems to have been confused in commerce with 'Rose du Roi'. I have had a very healthy own-root 'Rose de Rescht' for decades, and never once has it produced a sucker or runner. This was discussed in another (now-gone) forum of knowledgable old rose experts years ago, and the consensus was that there is a large contingent of supposed 'Rose de Rescht' out there which are actually 'Rose du Roi' specimens, as a large group of people had the "runner version," and an equally large group had the "never any runners version." Unfortunately, none of the posters had both, so a point by point comparison of them was never posted.
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Reply #7 of 24 posted 24 JAN 24 by Jay-Jay
Which of the photographed or pictured Roses du Roi do You mean?
Almost none look like the picture Jonathan Windham posted.
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Reply #8 of 24 posted 24 JAN 24 by odinthor
My point is in relation to comments on suckers or runners vis-a-vis 'Rose du Rescht' and 'Rose du Roi', not any of the HMF pictures of 'Rose du Roi'.
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Reply #9 of 24 posted 24 JAN 24 by Jay-Jay
I'm not talking about pictures odinthor.
I'm referring to which of those roses de-pictured as Rose du Roi would You like to compare with those depictured as Rose de Rescht as for the habit of suckering?
What withholds You from comparing Yourselves? I would be interested in Your outcome.
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Reply #10 of 24 posted 25 JAN 24 by Margaret Furness
I'm told that "Rose de Rescht" in commerce in Australia is now consistently what we think is Joasine Hanet. Which suckers.
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Reply #11 of 24 posted 25 JAN 24 by Nastarana
'Joasine Hanet', AKA "Portland from Glendora" in the USA is a tall rosebush. Mine grows to about 5' and I think it gets even taller in warmer climates. I believe 'Rose de Resht' remains at around 3-4'.
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Initial post 17 DEC 22 by MiGreenThumb
Mermaid does not have red or burgundy stamens. This rose appears to be 'Golden Wings'; regardless of whatever label may state.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 17 DEC 22 by Jay-Jay
You mean stamens, I believe. I agree, this can't be Mermaid...
And it is definitely not Meermaid with double ee from Geschwind too.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 9 MAR by MiGreenThumb
Yes sir, my apologies.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 18 DEC 22 by HMF Admin
Posts like this demonstrate the advantage of a mutable resource like HMF.
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