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I found this rose in a cemetery in Anderson, CA. It is cream colored and looks like a crinkled up tissue. In the sun, the roses look bright white. The buds open quite messily, if that is a word. It has a slight musky smell. It may be a rambler or a climber, because it is up in the oak trees about 30 feet high. It runs all along the fence. It is virtually thornless and has shiny green leaves. It blooms in clusters of 3 or 4 buds. It looks like the original plant is near to an 1885 grave of "2 little characters" of the last name Ingersol. I am pretty sure it is a one time bloomer because I never saw it in the past when I visited there.
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20 MAY 09 by
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Please take a look at Alba Odorata. If it is Alba Odorata, then this isn't the first cemetery in which it has been found. Old roses find a location near a concrete slab or a tree and use it as protection from the severe damage done by "maintenance crews" who go after living plants with their noxious string trimmers.
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Thank you for the help. I looked at the description, it doesn't match. I counted the petals. There are 8 sections in the rose and in each section there are 15 to 17 petals in it. So they have approximately 120 petals. That is a lot of petals. They are layered very tightly together. You have to peel them apart. There is no pink or yellow anywhere on the bud or the blossom. There are wads of petals in globs around the stamens. I can pull them apart to look at them. The center stamens are tightly packed and are a mustard color. The fragrance is not strong. It is a very definite cream color, even the buds are cream. The old flowers are also just the same cream color. Any more ideas?
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Are you far from the rose? If so, could you take some more photos showing details of foliage, bud, pedicel, receptacle etc?
Is it completely thornless?
If so, that should help narrow it down.
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Another one to consider would be Fortuneana. I would describe the scent as unattractive, except possibly to mice.
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Thank you for helping. I checked both the suggested roses. I do not think it is either one. I counted petals and there are 8 section with 15 to 17 petals in each section so that would be about 120 petals. There is no pink or yellow, or white, just cream in all stages of development. Center stamens are mustard and packed tight. There are wads of petals at the base of the stamens that I can pull out and they are tightly packed with petals too. I didn't count those. The flower is 3 1/2 inches diameter. The scent is not unpleasant, but it doesn't call to you either. Any more ideas?
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Could it be one of the Wichuraiana ramblers.
If there are any Wich experts out there, is this rose anything like 'Albéric Barbier'?
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As my wild guess of Lamarque shows, I am no expert. But here is my picture of a the first flowers on a new 'Alberic Barbier' (the higher rose on the right) when I was comparing it with a foundling "Old farm Tea Room Wall, Albany" (lower left).
Those prickly pedicels on Marcialene's rose are a guide for identifying.
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The bloom looks tantalisingly familiar and I kept coming back to Lamarque too - but if it only flowers once that eliminates Lamarque.
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Thanks for your thoughtful input. I will make a point to watch the rose this summer and see if it does rebloom I love Lamarque. The only thing that doesn't seem to compare is that the petals on my rose are more crinkly and curly and matted. The Alba Oderata is closer in the looks of the petals, but not as thick as this rose. Is there a way to look up roses that came from a certain country of origin, like Denmark. I was thinking that it might have come from the place these original settlers immigrated from?
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