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I seriously doubt this is a specimen of Gloire des Rosomanes.
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Hi Paul,
there you put a hand on a spot... we have been discussing this at Peter Beales already. Some people say, that this actually is the Nur Mahal (I bought this "Gloire" as a Gloire, but remember the dealer saying, that he isnt too sure either - I wonder if he has the budwood from Sangershausen). But I have the Nur Mahal as well, it looks completely different... You have a close up picture of one for comparison?
Regards, Britta
ps. your blog is brilliant!
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Well... on this picture it does not really look like Nur Mahal either... but it is hard to say from this pic.
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#3 of 19 posted
12 MAY 09 by
 jedmar
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I believe that there are different roses in commerce under the name of GdR. If you look at my pictures from Sangerhausen you can see that the sepals on the buds there are missing the appendages which you can see on the engraving posted by AmiRoses. Weingart also has two different GdR in his nursery.
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The one of this photo is from Weingart... Either way, it still looks more like GdR than Nur Mahal... It has the white streaks on some petals and openes rather flat. Standing in partial shade might prevent the petals from getting the purplish/carmine tinge (the plant only gets morning sun).
I check out the buds on my bush and AmiRoses engraving.
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Do you have any photos of the leaves?
Do the leaf edges have prominent serrations?
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Hi,
I uploaded a pic of bud and a bit of foliage. The sepals are more like AmiRoses print.
I guess, the colour is the main point of doubt... But, first, this is Ireland, second it really only gets morning sun and is well shielded from any harsh sun later (if ever it occurs here) from appr. 11 am on... That might well do the trick. I dont think, I messed up the whitebalance of the photo. :-)
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Thanks for the pic.
Those rather coarse serrations look right for G des R.
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I am quite sure this photo does not represent 'Gloire des Rosomanes'. The foliage is more matte, less olive colored, the leaf edge serrations more pronounced and the sepals much more leafy on 'Gloire des Rosomanes'.
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OK, I'll take it off later...
But the rose remains a mystery then. I took some photos these days (they are still in the 'to-do' folder) and post one of those for a re-check.
Cheers,
Britta
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I watched the flowers during daytime today.... as long as the sun is high, the flowers have the magentaish tinge you get on most pictures. In the evening, when the colour of the light is warmer, the petals colour turns into a soft deep crimson, like on the picture. Mine is in full shade then. Maybe you have the opportunity to check at yours.
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#11 of 19 posted
5 JUN 09 by
Cass
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Britta, Gloire des Romomanes as we know it in the USA has very distinctively scented foliage. You cannot miss it. Please rub the buds or some of the leaves (carefully) between you hands and let us know if the leaves impart a resinous scent.
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Hi Cass, sorry to come back this late.
The buds are resinous, the younger so much, you hardly need to rub. The older ones (short before opening) less strong but still well discernable. The foliage is slightly resinous as well. Foliage not affected by deficits from living in a pot.
So I messed up the white-balance of the pic and there propably is a good chance, that the 'GdR' from Weingart is a GdR as identified in the US?
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#13 of 19 posted
12 JUL 09 by
Cass
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I can't say, from what I can see. The bud is cut off. GdR has sepals that extend well past the bud. The receptacle is glandular. The foliage is semi-glossy but matte when young. Here the blooms open up wide, revealing a bit of a white center, sometimes a white stripe.
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Pic was too large... Hope this link is OK:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brittas__world_of_photos/3714655640/sizes/l/
Pic taken in June
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#15 of 19 posted
13 JUL 09 by
jedmar
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I have added photos one (one of) Weingart's GdR. I cannot smell anything resinuous, but that may be my nose. I shall have someone else smell the leaves.
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Hi, yours looks like mine, must be the same budding stock. The bud is glandulous, has the same type of appendices, it should smell.
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#17 of 19 posted
13 JUL 09 by
Cass
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Jedmar, one of the photos you posted shows that your rose has laciniated (fringed) stipules. My GdR does not; instead, the margins of the stipule bear glands on stalks, but there is not one fringed/laciniated stipule on my entire plant. Also, while the color of the new growth is right, the shape of the leaflets is narrower and the leaflet margin doesn't look quite as coarse as my plant. I'll take shots today.
I haven't followed this ID closely, but have you determined that the Weingart rose cannot be Nur Mahal?
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Hi Cass, my GdR looks like Jedmar's. But I have a Nur Mahal from PB, as well as double-checked the one in Sangerhausen. My Nur (living in a pot, nutritions washed out by the irish everlasting rain) from PB looks like an undernourished edition of the one in Sangerhausen, but completely differs from the 'GdR'...
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#19 of 19 posted
14 JUL 09 by
jedmar
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I have uploaded a few pictures of what we have as 'Nur Mahal' - from the Roseraie de Berty in France. The stipules are more or less entire, with some serration on the ears, the prickles are few, sharp, needle-like. It is clearly not "completely thornless" as Randy says his is.
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