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"Rose de Resht" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 146-454
most recent 8 JUL 23 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 JUL 23 by Domenico 67
My new own roots plant of Rose de Resht just opened a flower which looks of a quite different colour... It's a medium pink, and external petals are particularly pale compared to the normal bright fuchsia of Rose de Resht.
Unfortunately, at this moment it's the only opened flower, so I can't make direct comparison with normal blooms. Several other flower buds are on the way, and some could be on the same branch bearing the pink flower. The flower looks quite different, but my only doubt is that, being on a young own roots plant from a rooted cutting (2 years old I think), it could be a normal flower, just not fully developed.
However, I took a photo of the "strange" flower... please give me your thoughts about it.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 6 JUL 23 by scvirginia
Yes, it could be a sport, but you say this is a new plant. I'm supposing, then. that you haven't seen previous blooms from this plant to know what a 'normal' flower for this plant looks like?

Assuming that you do have a correctly identified plant to start with, a young plant is, I think, more likely than an established plant to produce temporarily anomalous blooms. By which I mean a flower that isn't a true sport that could be propagated as a different rose, but just looks different because of temporary, local stressors such as a moisture or nutrient imbalance of the soil, extreme weather, or just a young plant struggling to establish its root system while also producing flowers, however imperfectly.

Short answer is that I would wait to see how your new plant continues to bloom this year and next before deciding what its normal blooms look like, and whether your plant could have been propagated from a sport on an established plant, or produced a sport on its own.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 6 JUL 23 by Domenico 67
I forgot to mention: yeah, I already saw the normal flowers of this plant, and it's the typical, intensely fuchsia Rose de Resht, which I know very well having had a couple plants of different origins in the past, plus having seen it several times in other gardens (my brother has a beautiful thick bush of this rose in his garden)... one of the most unmistakable roses I think! One of the very few about which I can be 100% sure!

And yeah, that plant is putting most of its force (and most of the generous nutrients I'm feeding it) into growing very vigorously... perhaps, that's why a few flowers were not very well formed, either with proliferation in the middle, or asymmetrical (but all were normally coloured as normal Rose de Resht).
Anyway, several new buds are growing now, both on the (hypothetically) muted branch and on other branches, so I think I'll be able to figure out this thing in a few days. I'll take care not to cut anything from that branch... of course it's impossible to know the exact point where a sport started from the parent branch, and I imagine that it could be very short, so I prefer to avoid any risk of cutting it away!
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 6 JUL 23 by scvirginia
Since you've seen it bloom before, you know that you have the correct plant.

It's most likely that this was just an immature bloom from an immature plant which is apparently very busy growing into a large, suckering plant, but keep an eye on it to see if that branch produces 'normal' flowers going forward.

If it continues to produce the lighter colored flowers, you may enjoy trying to propagate the sport, and/or you may want to cut out the sporting branch from the plant to only keep branches with the deep pink blooms you know and love.

Even if it is a sport, and even if you can propagate it, it may not be a stable sport, and may revert to the usual RdeR blooms pretty easily.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 7 JUL 23 by Domenico 67
Thank you for your advices. If it will reveal being a pink sport, I'll try to propagate it for sure... The "almost perpetually blooming Gallica hybrid" Rose de Resht is way too interesting and unique, to let a pink sport go.
Anyway, it's on a very short lateral sprout (just a few cm's) of the main branch... so, if the sport would be on a consistent section of the branch, it would be pretty easy to propagate, but if it would be just on that lateral sprout, it would be much more complicated. Let's see what will happen next weeks!
That said, that very short lateral sprout tells me that a malformation of the flower it bears, is a little bit more likely than a sport.
I add another photo I just took tonight, colour and exposure adjusted for being as true as possible.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 8 JUL 23 by scvirginia
I agree that this is likely to be an imperfect flower due to an immature plant spending most of its energy rooting and suckering.

Having said this, I'll point out that the origins of "Rose de Rescht" are mysterious, and it's considered to be a 'found rose'. Perhaps it is a usually stable bright pink sport of another rose, such as 'Joasine Hanet', with which it is sometimes confused in commerce and in gardens. I'm just speculating here...I don't know or grow either rose.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 6 JUL 23 by Lee H.
Obvious, but perhaps worth mentioning: it is not uncommon for rose growers to make an error. I have a few roses in my garden of which I may never know the true identity. There’s many a slip ‘twixt the propagator and your garden.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 8 JUL 23 by Jay-Jay
I've seen this before on my own Rose de Rescht. Especially on suckers.
At first I thought I had a different Rose growing there, but it is the same rose, as for fragrance too.
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