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'Dr. Grill' rose Reviews & Comments
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most recent 15 APR 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 8 APR 18 by HubertG
From the Dingee & Conard Co "The New Guide to Rose Culture" 1890, page 6:

"Docteur Grill. - Extra-large handsome flowers, clear buff pink, passing to rose and fawn, elegantly suffused with pale canary yellow, richly scented and very beautiful."
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Reply #1 of 10 posted 8 APR 18 by Patricia Routley
Thank you. Reference added.
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Reply #2 of 10 posted 15 APR 18 by HubertG
Also:-

"ROSE DR. GRILL.
This delightful Tea Rose was hardly known in England till it was brought forward and its merits were pointed out by Mr. Robinson. It has a charming and quite remarkably refined quality of growth and foliage, and the rosy bloom shaded with copper gives the same impression of distinction with daintiness. Hence it is one of the prettiest of Roses for a bed by itself. The undergrowth of pale tufted Pansies fills the under space, and when rightly assorted for colour enhances the beauty of the Rose."

From "The Garden", Feb 8 1902, page 94, accompanying the photo of a bed of Dr. Grill by Miss Willmott.
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Reply #3 of 10 posted 15 APR 18 by Andrew from Dolton
There was a plant in the East Garden, not from Robinson's time, when I was head gardener at Gravetye Manor.
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Reply #4 of 10 posted 15 APR 18 by HubertG
Andrew, you didn't happen to get any photos of it? This rose is so confusing the more you look at online photos of it.
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Reply #5 of 10 posted 15 APR 18 by Andrew from Dolton
I wasn't so interested in roses then as I am now, to me back then it was just a rose. I had just got a video camera at the time and had abandoned still photography for the medium of film, but I'll go and look. In a couple of months time I will be going to Mottisfont and I will take some pictures of it there.
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Reply #6 of 10 posted 15 APR 18 by HubertG
Yes, please take some photos when you visit.
The date on the Moon illustration of Dr. Grill has a mid January date on it, and the text says that they were collected from bushes planted out in the open in the previous November. I'm not sure if the date on the picture is simply the date of the publication or perhaps the date that the rose was painted, but in either case they must have been flowers collected in December or January. So maybe this rose can do well in an English winter (for a tea) and has survived there. Who knows?
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Reply #7 of 10 posted 15 APR 18 by HubertG
I forgot to add that that's very impressive having been head gardener at Gravetye.
The 1902 photo of the bed of Dr. Grill (with tufted pansies) was possibly at Robinson's residence, as he was a proponent of this rose. I keep on zooming in on the individual blooms in that photo (lol) even though the resolution isn't superb to see what similarities I can make out with my rose, and I have to admit it tends to support my rose rather than contradict it.
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Reply #8 of 10 posted 15 APR 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Plants could be protected by being grown on a south facing wall to encourage longer flowering. There were also a range of glass houses where roses like 'Dr Grill' could have been used for cut flower. Don't believe everything you read about Robinson's "naturalistic" way of gardening, he was a lot more formal in reality. After Robinson's death the garden went through a period of neglect for over twenty years, especially during the war and apart from mature trees very few of the original plantings remained. There were still pictures by Moon in the House when Peter Herbert took on the lease and restored the garden and converted the house into a hotel but they were sold.
Working at Gravetye was an experience but due to lack of money and staffing problems not a really enjoyable one. My previous job working at Charleston Farmhouse, country home of Vanessa Bell and Duncan Grant was far more interesting...
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Reply #9 of 10 posted 15 APR 18 by HubertG
Andrew, that's great insight! Thanks.
I was only wondering today of the whereabouts of the original watercolours by Moon. Many are probably in private collections I guess. It would be very interesting to see how the original colours compare to the chromolithographs.
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Reply #10 of 10 posted 15 APR 18 by Andrew from Dolton
I'm not in contact with Peter Herbert anymore but you could contact him through Gravetye Manor Hotel, he may not still be alive, he'd be well over 90.
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